MLB suspends Astros GM and Manager for a year, yuge fine and takes away draft picks.

UNCBlue012 said:
I still can't get over the fact that this title says "yuge fine" when it was fairly small given the circumstances.
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It's actually the largest fine allowed.

While we're mining history, let's not forget half of the Giants, including Hall OF Famers Amos Rusie and Monte Ward, were taking liquefied ox brains and nitro in the 1894 Temple Cup series. And in 1889, Hall of Famer Pud Galvin was getting injections of crushed dog and guinea pig testicles.
 
i'm not sure how using technology to steal signs (with no one on base needed) is viewed as the same thing as a runner figuring out signs and relaying them. one is clearly worse. they were video taping ****. players usually have to figure out signs and relay and all, and i think that's fine. this was team staffers videoing and taking pictures and being able to more definitively, quickly, and easily find out what was coming. the player response says a lot. i don't think Trout is just blowing smoke and hoping he isn't put under the microscope.
 
Neck with the veteran Lairdership.
Says each player on the stros deserve a beating.
BMac has a new rival for Braves way leader.
 
The outfield playing time situation will clear up when Markakis spends the entire season suspended and awaiting trial because he assaulted an Astros player with a bast in a spring training game.
 
"Houston also deployed a computer software program called "Codebreaker" that was used to unmask the opposing batter's signals. Using that centerfield camera, according to the WSJ, a staffer would log the stolen signs into a spreadsheet, then run an algorithm to determine the opponent's sequencing and what all the signs meant."

come on. that is not normal sign stealing. it's nothing close.
 
Super said:
come on. that is not normal sign stealing. it's nothing close.
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It’s much more intelligent and sophisticated. That’s why all these other players are so vitriolic—they’re envious.
 
jpx7 said:
It’s much more intelligent and sophisticated. That’s why all these other players are so vitriolic—they’re envious.
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I don't know about that. Some people are like myself, and would rather lose straight up than cheat to win
 
Carp said:
Boomer? I'm probably younger than you.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. The Braves cheated the system in the international market for who knows how many years. This certainly helped their post-season chances over the years. Perhaps we should have gotten a post-season ban?

Every team absolutely cheats in some way. As a baseball fan, you should be encouraging this scandal to just go away. Believe me, you don't want to see how the sausage is made. And I would be willing to bet, all the owners/GMs just want to see it go away as well. This is absolutely NOT worse than steroid use, which, other than the Black Sox, is the worst scandal in baseball history. But picking at this scab is just going to cause an even bigger infection in this league. The Dodgers were also accused of sign stealing. As were the Diamondbacks, Indians, Rangers, Cubs, Blue Jays, Nationals and Brewers. Perhaps we should just ban every team from the postseason and not have a WS winner for the next few years. That will totally teach the league a lesson.

The Stro's got punished already. I'd be fine with seeing multiple 1st round draft picks taken away and a huge fine similar to luxury tax levels. But most of all, baseball needs to just move past it and stop dwelling on it.
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I don't think you are understanding exactly what has taken place here. And if you do, and still not seeing it, then I don't know what to tell you. You're wrong. Period.

This is on par with what the White Sox did in the 20s. This is much worse than steroids. When the whole steroid scandal was taking place there wasn't this much backlash from everyone. You have virtually every fan and player calling out Manfred and the Astros. The only people who are supporting the Astros are the Astros and their fans. This is an absolute disgrace to baseball. You have players who rarely, if ever, say a word and who are vehemently calling attention to how much of a disgrace what the Astros have done and how what Manfred hasn't done. Manfred has absolutely no business being the commissioner of baseball. He is so out of touch with what is required to hold his position. I mean it was bad enough that he did absolutely nothing, but then he continues to put his foot in his mouth by referring to the World Series trophy as a piece of metal? Go listen to Trout. Go listen to Justin Turner. Go listen to Nick Markakis. Go listen to Kris Bryant. The commissioner has completely lost the players. To have player after player 100% disagreeing with what Manfred has done and then to flat out say he's clueless should help you understand how bad this is. When he has to sit down with the players union at the next collective bargaining agreement in a few years, good luck to him. Hopefully by then he's either resigned or he's been forced out. He's a disgrace and has no idea how to handle the authority that's been given to him.

And yes, the Astros deserve a postseason ban. At the very least for one year. Man City just got suspended from two years of Champions League play (essentially equivalent to two postseasons) for cooking their financial books. There is zero reason why the Astros should not get banned from MLB postseason play for at least one year.

When you take basic sign stealing to a whole other level and ruin players careers because their numbers are so beyond skewed you deserve any and all punishment handed to you. Not to mention from a pitcher's standpoint, his health and well being is put in jeopardy and harm a lot more. If a hitter knows what pitch is coming over and over again the game essentially turns into batting practice. There's a reason why they put an L screen in front of the pitchers mound during batting practice. Now you take that away and we're lucky more pitchers didn't get smoked with hits back through the box.

Manfred is a disgrace and the punishment he handed out is an absolute joke.
 
tululush said:
This is on par with what the White Sox did in the 20s
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I mostly agree with the rest, but think you're totally off base here. What happened in 1919 was a team actively throwing a World's Series, and I do believe that is substantially worse than a team cheating to try to win one. Cheating to win always has a chance of failing, while purposefully losing is a virtual lock.
 
jpx7 said:
It’s much more intelligent and sophisticated. That’s why all these other players are so vitriolic—they’re envious.
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i think that's a really silly take.
the Astros' scheme involved non-players not figuring things out, but plugging them into an algorithm and relaying it.
that's is totally different than *players* figuring out signs and relaying it. "you're just jealous" is bad, bad take.
 
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