MLB Trade Deadline Discussion
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BRule
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Based on what? Because their numbers aren't as good over the last 3 years and their stuff isn't close.....so tell me how they are as good.
zbhargrove
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The point was lost because of stupid arguments. The point is, a known commodity is better than a prospect... Strasburg was the example of the most can't miss prospect ever... a once in a generation pitcher (also Mark Prior comes to mind as another example)... yet he still doesn't live up to anywhere close to the hype. Yes he has ace potential, but he is not an ace.
UNCBlue012
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Wow. The Sox are a completely different looking team. They're helping their calls offensively. They don't have a lot right now pitching wise, but they are setting up well for next year.
jsebe10
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Good trade for St Louis.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
You cannot be considered an ace when you've thrown 1 CG in a few years worth of your career.
Stras has Price beat in a few of these stats (Ks per 9 / ERA / FIP / xFIP / WAR) but anyone that would say Stras is comparable to Price is delusional. Stras has all the potential in the world, and chances are he gets there. But right now he's not in the same breath as the true aces of the game.
Stras has Price beat in a few of these stats (Ks per 9 / ERA / FIP / xFIP / WAR) but anyone that would say Stras is comparable to Price is delusional. Stras has all the potential in the world, and chances are he gets there. But right now he's not in the same breath as the true aces of the game.
zbhargrove
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I didn't say that, but obviously if you're trying to win an argument, you would think your evidence is better than others... and this whole argument has nothing to do with the original point I made which is definitely a valid point... but because of dumb petty arguments, the train's off the tracks like normal.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
All very similar this year.
zbhargrove
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I actually think that's a pretty bad trade... that's a ton of proven talent for Lackey, who I'm not really a fan of.
BRule
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Jeremy Guthrie
RA Dickey
Justin Masterson
Patrick Corbin
Jason Vargas
Bartolo Colon
Ivan Nova
Chris Archer
Derek Holland
CC Sabitha
Scott Feldman
Joe Saunders
Aaron Harang
John Lackey
Brett Oberholtzer
Brandon McCarthy
Wily Peralta
etc
etc
etc
etc
All these guys are better than SS because they had 2 or more CG's last year.
CGs >
zbhargrove
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Those aren't Strasburg's stats this year... and again, this has nothing to do with the original point anyways... I'm sorry you were a bit butt hurt because I mentioned that maybe your goldenboys aren't world beaters yet afterall.
BRule
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So one year? Strong argument.....
Anyways....over the last THREE years
SS has a xFIP of 2.80
Q has a xFIP of 3.85
Hughes has a xFIP of 4.00
It's not really close.....but yeah, whatever you say.
zbhargrove
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Well it is kind of important to look at this year since its his first full healthy year since coming back from serious injuries and he's not the same pitcher... its not fair to just average all 3 years when you add in the dominance before TJ.
Since now we go by 5 months worth of data:
Phil Hughes 4.12 ERA, 2.67 FIP, 3.27 xFIP
Quintana 3.15 ERA, 2.83 FIP, 3.38 xFIP
Strasburg 3.55 ERA, 2.83 FIP, 2.59 xFIP (best season of his career)
BRule
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What are you even talking about? His numbers are top 10 this year
Is this like a Heyward alias?
This is Strasburg best season. He's pitched deeper into games! His FIP and xFIP are at career low numbers. He's 1 win shy of surpassing his career high. His walks are down significantly. Hes ks are right at career numbers.
Season before (so called dominance ---said by zbhargrove)
28 starts 159.1 IP
11.13 k/9
2.71 bb/9
0.85 HR/9
This season (a number 2 or a 3 type pitcher according to same guy)
10.41 k/9
2.00 bb/9
0.87 HR/9
