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yeezus said:
thethe is the king of declaring studs based on terribly small sample sizes and before they really do anything at all.
We're seeing it clearly with Kaepernick, who is far from a very good QB and has a ton to work on. A TON.
We're seeing it with Adams. One good game and he's arrived in the league.
He jumps the gun on his guys constantly, not sure why this is surprising you.
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Adams has had more than one good game. He had an exceptional game and several other good ones. He contributes already for a 20 year old and that is impressive.
 
From ESPN today talking about early season surprises:

Steven Adams

Conventional wisdom had it that Adams, who spent a single season at Pittsburgh before entering the NBA draft, was a long-term play for the Thunder as the 12th overall pick. Instead, the New Zealand native is contributing far ahead of schedule after beating out Hasheem Thabeet for a spot in the rotation. Amazingly, Adams ranks second among rookies in wins above replacement (0.5 WARP) in just 20.2 minutes per game off the bench. One factor in Adams' success might be playing next to veteran Nick Collison, whose defensive positioning helps complement Adams' raw game. Indeed, Adams' worst performance thus far came Sunday night, when Collison missed Oklahoma City's overtime win over Washington because of a bruised left hip.

At this point, Adams' strongest attribute is simply his activity. He's been relentless on the offensive glass, pulling down 17.6 percent of available offensive rebounds while on the floor -- more than three times the league average. Those second chances, and cuts to the hoop, have produced easy scoring opportunities. Adams also has proven valuable as a shot blocker, swatting a higher percentage of opponents' 2-point attempts (5.7 percent) than teammate Serge Ibaka (4.7 percent), the reigning league leader in blocks per game.
 
thethe said:
Adams has had more than one good game. He had an exceptional game and several other good ones. He contributes already for a 20 year old and that is impressive.
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Can you give it a little bit longer before you declare anything on him? He has A LOT to prove. Just because he's "contributed" in a handful of games doesn't mean he's good or doesn't need a lot more work.

If he does it for an extended period of time, it's impressive. It's been a handful of games.
 
But again, this is just me saying these things. Its not like Adams is actually doing anything on the floor to deserve recognition.
 
MCW is a top-3 PG in the league.
Look at what he's done so far as a rookie!
Evan Turner has finally become a star.
Spencer Hawes isn't soft as a tissue anymore.
 
thethe said:
But again, this is just me saying these things. Its not like Adams is actually doing anything on the floor to deserve recognition.
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LOL.
No one is saying he's been a scrub. You have already declared him to be a 15 year NBA vet (that's VERY hard to do) and that he's solved OKC's big man problems. I have little doubt he's played relatively well so far.
That doesn't mean he couldn't see major regression soon.
 
yeezus said:
MCW is a top-3 PG in the league.
Look at what he's done so far as a rookie!
Evan Turner has finally become a star.
Spencer Hawes isn't soft as a tissue anymore.
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I believe that Turner will become a top 20 player.

Hawes starts out hot every year and gets hurt.

I think all sixers fans should be pumped about MCW's future. I think its clear based on what he has done so far that he is a player. Maybe not a top PG but he will be a productive player for many years to come. Kind of the same thing that I have said about Adams.
 
I have always believed in Turner. He does everything well, just needed some better coaching than he was getting and needed to improve his shot. I'm not convinced he's done that, but I'm hopeful he can.
I'm not ready to declare MCW a future 15-year NBA vet. Though he has proven more so far than Adams...but, SSS.
 
yeezus said:
I have always believed in Turner. He does everything well, just needed some better coaching than he was getting and needed to improve his shot. I'm not convinced he's done that, but I'm hopeful he can.
I'm not ready to declare MCW a future 15-year NBA vet. Though he has proven more so far than Adams...but, SSS.
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MCW has also gotten more of an opportunity. Eventually, Adams will be the starting center getting 32+ minutes a night. He is much more raw in terms of basketball ability to compared to a guy like MCW who came from a well coached Syracuse team as a 2 year player. I'm sure it would have benefitted Adams to stay that extra year like it did MCW.

Turner is going to be a star. I have no doubt about that. His weakness is shooting and that is the easiest skill to improve in the nba.
 
thethe said:
MCW has also gotten more of an opportunity. Eventually, Adams will be the starting center getting 32+ minutes a night. He is much more raw in terms of basketball ability to compared to a guy like MCW who came from a well coached Syracuse team as a 2 year player. I'm sure it would have benefitted Adams to stay that extra year like it did MCW.

Turner is going to be a star. I have no doubt about that. His weakness is shooting and that is the easiest skill to improve in the nba.
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Regardless of why he has proven more, he has. The fact that Adams is so raw is an argument for holding out to see how he progresses before calling him a 15-year vet.

Turner also had some problems with his mentality, namely his confidence. Sometimes he would just stop attacking after failing a few times, and he likes the ball in his hands, so he needs to adjust a little bit with that still.
 
BRule said:
Thunder fans or just you two? Because 1 game does not equal a career.
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A lot of people are.

No one said he's the next Tim Duncan but the kid is very impressive for a 20 year old rookie who most thought myself included he'd be in the DLeague all year.
 
Thunder supposedly interested in getting Evan Turner from Philly.

No idea what they could trade for him.

Knicks/Nuggets could swap Faried/Shumpert and other pieces per some reports.
 
Lol off the Thunder getting Turner. What pieces are they going to give up? Every first round pick for the next 10 years?

How can they afford Turner? You guys have told us for 2 years they can't afford a 3rd player worth a ****.
 
That part is why i dont know how they could get him unless it's for something like Thabo, PJ3, and a 1st round pick if Philly just wants to get rid of him.

And i have no idea how they could afford to sign long-term which would make this deal, having no sense unless its just for this year.
 
Shump for Faried was a made up rumor by Isola....LOL so the Thunder want Turner, to replace Harden, who they got rid of because they didn't want to pay him and because they didn't want another main ball handler, which Turner is, right? So now, they are going to trade.....stuff......to bring in a poor mans James Harden, who wants big money? LULZ
 
I would not make a deal for Turner. I'm encouraged by the young players so far this year. I'd stay the course. I want to see what Lamb/PJ/Adams have. Ibaka has looked great recently and KD/RW are great.
 
They offered Harden around 13-14 million per year, he signed for 2-3 million more.

Not a huge difference.

And Turner isnt going to cost as much as that.

That said, i dont know how they can get him and pay him. Rather not and let the younger guys keep playing.
 
The Sixers want to suck. I wouldn't be surprised if they took picks + Perkins + another young player not named Adams.

I still wouldn't make the deal because Turner still has shooting issues and the Thunder need shooting.
 
THunder have no young players the Sixers would have any interest in. The deal would only work for Sixers if they get a big expiring and a lot of picks.
 
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