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thethe said:
Thats great that you can quote a bunch of stats. I'm glad that this is the extent of your scouting report. It just makes me feel more comfortable that you have no clue what type of player he is.
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What makes him a "good player" in the present day.
 
BRule said:
What makes him a "good player" in the present day.
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He is a damn good low post & PnR defender which is of course about the most important thing you can have in a modern era center.

He can finish off the PnR and is a damn good rebounder. Now I know you will quote rebounding percentages which completely ignores the fact that OKC has plus rebounders at several positions but these are the types of things that you need to watch the player play to understand.

Again, apparently you guys know more than guys like Jeff Van Gundy and Barkely.
 
thethe said:
Already has made big improvements from year 1 to year 2.
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Not sure about that.....his per 36 stats are all the same, except for 3 more points per 36. Everything else is the same, other than steals, which are down.

Pretty much the same player, just playing more minutes.
 
thethe said:
He is a damn good low post & PnR defender which is of course about the most important thing you can have in a modern era center.

He can finish off the PnR and is a damn good rebounder. Now I know you will quote rebounding percentages which completely ignores the fact that OKC has plus rebounders at several positions but these are the types of things that you need to watch the player play to understand.

Again, apparently you guys know more than guys like Jeff Van Gundy and Barkely.
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How can you quote analytics and then quote Barkley as the reason you're right?
 
BRule said:
Not sure about that.....his per 36 stats are all the same, except for 3 more points per 36. Everything else is the same, other than steals, which are down.

Pretty much the same player, just playing more minutes.
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Again, if you are going to continue to be married to stats you are missing a huge part of the equation. Basketball is about systems and opportunities presented to you. Also, not having RW early in the year really messed up everything for the team. Now with Adams back in the fold after his injury the two are working well and the results are showing.
 
thethe said:
Because analytics are just ONE part of the equation. Something that you guys just don't seem to understand.
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How much basketball do you think Barkley watches when he's not on TV once a week?

Follow up to that.....how many minutes of film do you think he's seen on Steven Adams?
 
BRule said:
How much basketball do you think Barkley watches when he's not on TV once a week?

Follow up to that.....how many minutes of film do you think he's seen on Steven Adams?
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I have no clue how much basketball Barkely watches. I would bet that he still has an interest in the game and watches in his off time.

How many people outside of teams watch film of players? I don't even understand why you are asking this question. You can just watch a basketball game and see little things that a player does to know if they are good or not before it bears out in statistical analysis. But, you need both at some point to marry up for it to be something real.
 
thethe said:
I have no clue how much basketball Barkely watches. I would bet that he still has an interest in the game and watches in his off time.

How many people outside of teams watch film of players? I don't even understand why you are asking this question. You can just watch a basketball game and see little things that a player does to know if they are good or not before it bears out in statistical analysis. But, you need both at some point to marry up for it to be something real.
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Well, we know Barkley doesn't watch film, he doesn't watch the Thunder every night, he doesn't follow stats, so how does he form an opinion on Steven Adams? Other than making **** up, like he's been caught doing numerous times.

Bottom line is, if Adams wasn't on OKC you wouldn't even know his name.
 
BRule said:
Well, we know Barkley doesn't watch film, he doesn't watch the Thunder every night, he doesn't follow stats, so how does he form an opinion on Steven Adams? Other than making **** up, like he's been caught doing numerous times.

Bottom line is, if Adams wasn't on OKC you wouldn't even know his name.
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I would absolutely know his name but of course I wouldn't be able to properly evaulate him.

The thunder have been on national TV a lot the last two years and Barkely got to watch him in the playoffs often. He is forming his opinion based on seeing him play probably more times than you have. Plus you know...all that actual basketball experience he has gathered in his whole life.
 
thethe said:
I would absolutely know his name but of course I wouldn't be able to properly evaulate him.

The thunder have been on national TV a lot the last two years and Barkely got to watch him in the playoffs often. He is forming his opinion based on seeing him play probably more times than you have. Plus you know...all that actual basketball experience he has gathered in his whole life.
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Just because someone plays a sport doesn't mean they are equipped to be a scout or comment on the game. Please see all the horrible announcers the NBA and MLB have. Do you think anyone cares what Barkley thinks of a player? Everyone laughs at him because he mails it in and is collecting a paycheck to be funny. Find me one person other than you, that takes Barkleys opinion on scouting seriously.
 
Thethe, despite being a homer (which you clearly are) you are mixing up Adams talent level with actual play. Yes, Adams is talented...big guy that can move, but he's not a good player today. You simply cannot be a good player and it not be measurable.
 
BRule said:
Just because someone plays a sport doesn't mean they are equipped to be a scout or comment on the game. Please see all the horrible announcers the NBA and MLB have. Do you think anyone cares what Barkley thinks of a player? Everyone laughs at him because he mails it in and is collecting a paycheck to be funny. Find me one person other than you, that takes Barkleys opinion on scouting seriously.
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How would I know if someone is taking him seriously or not? The people are who "out there" in NBA media are analytics guys so they have a huge axe to grind with Barkley. I would wager that there are plenty of people around the game of basketball that take what Barkley says very seriously.
 
gilesfan said:
Thethe, despite being a homer (which you clearly are) you are mixing up Adams talent level with actual play. Yes, Adams is talented...big guy that can move, but he's not a good player today. You simply cannot be a good player and it not be measurable.
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In the long term I would agree with you but in the short term and especially with young players I disagree.
 
thethe said:
In the long term I would agree with you but in the short term and especially with young players I disagree.
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Whether a player is young, old, or in the middle, the standards for whether they are a good player (which obviously means today) doesn't change.
 
gilesfan said:
Whether a player is young, old, or in the middle, the standards for whether they are a good player (which obviously means today) doesn't change.
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No, the standards on what is good or bad is not an ever changing ideal but the impact htat statistics capture is not absolute.
 
thethe said:
No, the standards on what is good or bad is not an ever changing ideal but the impact htat statistics capture is not absolute.
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So, he's a good player, but his good play doesn't impact his teams play? (Points/rebounds/blocks/team success/+/-, etc)
 
I can stand behind thethe that Adams projects to be a good starting center. He isn't vital by any means, but he a nice player to flesh out a rotation and should be a little bit better (maybe one day could be a Tiago Splitter type).

But due to injuries he hasn't had a chance to show it consistently to establish himself to be the player thethe thinks he is.

Anywho, go Karl Towns!
 
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