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I guess Seattle gets it's team back now.
I guess Seattle gets it's team back now.
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zitothebrave
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LeBron carrying the Lakers to the conference finals at 38.
****ing legend.
****ing legend.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
He's off to an amazing start.
But I don't know about top 10 of all time. Compare him to the GOAT center.
Kareem through his first 8 seasons averaged 29.5 PPG, 15.3 TRB, 4.3 AST, 3.4 BLK
Jokic is currently at 20.2 PPG, 10.5 RPG, 6.6 APG, 0.7 BLK per game.
Kareem was also by that point a 5 time MVP, Won a finals in Milwaukee, etc.
Look at Shaq too. 27.5 PPG, 12.4 RPG 2.7 APG, 2.7 BLK Shaq did not win an MVP and took til year 8 to win his final.
Shaq is a better comp and I don't think anyone considers shaq a top 10 player of all time. He's also pretty comparable to Dwight Howard (though he's for sure better than Dwight)
Keep in mind the following guys are his most similar players according to B-Ref (based off Win Shares)
Shaq (90.7)
Walt Bellamy (90.4)
Dwight Howard (89.9)
Ed McCauley (89.1)
Dan Issel (89.0)
Keep in mind to even be a top 10 Center of all time he's competing with Kareem, WIlt, Russell, Shaq, Hakeem, Moses Malone, Robinson, Ewing, MiKan and McAdoo (bottom is dicey in debate) just winding up top 10 in there makes you a great player. But odds are he won't make top 10 players of all time. He's got to compete with the likes of Kareem, MJ, Lebron, Wilt. Karl Malone, Stockton, Duncan, Dirk, Paul, Garnett, Oscar RObinson, etc. If he sneaks up there great. But it takes a hell of a lot of longevity and high level play to get there. Shaq was a 20+ Point Per game player until he was 34 and most wouldn't consider him top 10.
I don't know of anyone who doesn't consider Shaq a top 10 player of all time. Literally the most dominant player ever. Absolutely unguardable.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
basically a 30/10/10 in the finals But it's his fault they lost.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Shaq is considered top 10 by people who're really into "intangibles"
People I def take over Shaq
LeBron
MJ
Duncan
Wilt
Kareem
Chris Paul
Guys probably slightly better
Magic
Stockton
Malone
Duncan
Dirk
Debateables and guys who're playing now who could easily pass him
David Robertson
Oscar RObertson
Bill Russell (honestly if Russell had a longer career he'd be much higher)
Garnett
Harden
Durant
Steph
Bird
Dr. J
Barkley
Other guys who fools could put over him
Kobe
Hakeem
West
Shaq is considered top 10 by nearly everyone. I mean seriously just google Top 10 NBA players ever and he's on virtually every single list. LOL on Harden/Paul.
Not saying it was his fault they lost.
However, he was a no show in the 2nd half virtually every game. AD was their best player this series.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
AD is 29, LeBron is 38.
OK. Not sure what that has to do with what I said.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Ok?
If you don't think Chris Paul is one of the best players of all time you're a fool.
Harden has been on an inner circle hall of fame career.
Consider these players
17.9 PPG 9.5 APG 4.5 RPG
13.1 PPG 10.5 APG 2.7 RPG
One of them you laughed at one you didn't.
Harden's career slash is 24.7/7.0/5.6
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
You would think if AD was any amount of good he would outperform someone who's 38.
chop2chip
Well-known member
This is an absolutely wild take.
Chris Paul top 6 player ever?
Dirk, Malone and Stockton over Shaq?
Runnin
Well-known member
I think Jokic could be top 10 center of all time. He's got crazy skills for a center - soft hands, passing, rebounding, defense and can lead the fast break. I love his game. He seems even better in this era with fewer true centers. The game has changed and stats reflect best against the era a person plays. Shaq was super dominant but I didn't like watching him. He just bulled over people, but he had amazing skills too and played hard.
Lebron will go down as possible GOAT but I hate watching him too. His game is ugly to me because he insists on playing point forward and always having the ball. He's not a good ball handler and he shouldn't shoot so many 3s. He's a good passer but he renders actual guards on his team meaningless and without a regular guard role on offense. Seems selfish to me. I prefer Karl Malone and even Barkley over Lebron. They aren't afraid to play with their back to the basket.
Lebron will go down as possible GOAT but I hate watching him too. His game is ugly to me because he insists on playing point forward and always having the ball. He's not a good ball handler and he shouldn't shoot so many 3s. He's a good passer but he renders actual guards on his team meaningless and without a regular guard role on offense. Seems selfish to me. I prefer Karl Malone and even Barkley over Lebron. They aren't afraid to play with their back to the basket.
For real. Wild take is putting it lightly.