Net Neutrality
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zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I don't think anyone should be incharge of the internet. ISPs offer a gateway, government covers some of the basics to handle interstate commerce, badabing, badaboom. But the ISPs elected to go this fastlane bull**** which is 100% a free market killer. Government countered. I dont' want EITHER in my internet. But I'll much rather have the government step in when a situation arises where corporations can even more control the content I have access to.
I can't believe there are people who think fast lanes are a good idea. I didn't realize there was anyone dumb enough to buy into it.
We can already see that technology and internet speed, it's in other places around the world.
Let's see, the US average download speed is about 33.45 mbps.
Singapore is at 111.86, Hong Kong at 101.54, South Korea at 88.92.
At the rate the cable companies in this country are going driving up prices, limiting competition, and not improving speeds, then yes in 20 years we can be where South Korea is today.
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
Honestly, I've got a case of deja vu from this board on this issue. Very similar comments from the libs on other boards I've visited. Very concentrated on this idea that it's absurd to even question the idea of net neutrality, or to dig deeper into all that it entails. The response from the right to me has been a bit tepid as I really am not sure what their overall message is, but the response from the left has been panicky. Like there is something they don't want us to know.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Again, don't want the FCC's version of Net Neutrality, but it's clearthat the ISPs oversteppedtheir bounds and I'm glad what sites I'm viewing aren't controlled by corporations. Can you imagine if say Scout paid a fee for faster internet and their site loaded way faster than this one? You think people would post here if it took 5 minutes to post?
If only Mark Cuban knew as much as ZitotheBrave
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...net-neutrality-i-want-there-to-be-fast-lanes/
There is a difference between a boost and a fast lane. I want there to be fast lanes because there will be applications that need fast lanes. We are just now entering a period where we are seeing new ways to create and use high bitrate applications.
People like to use movies and TV shows as a reference to issues that could occur on the Internet. [But] the real issue is that there will be many applications that we can't foresee today. [And] we need those applications to not just have priority, but guaranteed quality of service.
I want certain medical apps that need the Internet to be able to get the bandwidth they need. There will be apps that doctors will carry on 5G networks that allow them to get live video from accident scenes and provide guidance. There will be machine vision apps that usage huge amounts of bandwidth. I want them to have fast lanes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...net-neutrality-i-want-there-to-be-fast-lanes/
There is a difference between a boost and a fast lane. I want there to be fast lanes because there will be applications that need fast lanes. We are just now entering a period where we are seeing new ways to create and use high bitrate applications.
People like to use movies and TV shows as a reference to issues that could occur on the Internet. [But] the real issue is that there will be many applications that we can't foresee today. [And] we need those applications to not just have priority, but guaranteed quality of service.
I want certain medical apps that need the Internet to be able to get the bandwidth they need. There will be apps that doctors will carry on 5G networks that allow them to get live video from accident scenes and provide guidance. There will be machine vision apps that usage huge amounts of bandwidth. I want them to have fast lanes.
So who's a fan of the government controlling how much you pay, what service you get, and the terms of the service? What a brilliant idea
Those three countries also practice internet censorship, especially against pornography.
We can avoid "fast lanes" gilesfan, by simply having the cable companies stop trying to limit competitiion which would force them to increase speed and lay more fiber cables around the country.
Aren't we supposed to be the greatest country in the world? Why is the greatest country in the world relegated to having internet speeds not even in the Top 10 in the world? This is a no brainer. We take pride in being the country that created the internet (that damn government), but we have no ambitions to make it better, modernize, and be #1.
Aren't we supposed to be the greatest country in the world? Why is the greatest country in the world relegated to having internet speeds not even in the Top 10 in the world? This is a no brainer. We take pride in being the country that created the internet (that damn government), but we have no ambitions to make it better, modernize, and be #1.
Ah. Ok so I'm understanding your logic now. Oh wait nvm, because once again you correlate two things that have nothing to do with each other.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/20/technology/innovation/chattanooga-internet/
If you even read about the fight Chatanooga had to go through from the cable industry just to do their own municipal internet network...
The reason no one lays more fiber lines through rural areas is bc it's not cost beneficial. Who's going to pay for it?
You think the govt in control is going to make things faster, run smoother, and cheaper?.the same people that spent equal to the first 6 years facebook operating budget to build a website that didn't work.
Yes, they do correlate. When you let the government get involved you don't think they'll try to censor porn or other "offensive" material here in the States? Come on, man. You can't be that naive.
This is the same type of thinking as to why we won't have high speed rail in this country for another 100 years either.
Our government used to invest in infrastructure. Highways, bridges, the internet, etc. Things that we take for granted today because it's so readily available.
Now anytime anybody wants the government to invest in infrastructure we can't because... the government will control everything.
How much did it cost, who paid for it, and what benefits has the city seen?
The government is terrible at doing anything, do you disagree?
So, making sure thinks make fiscal sense is not important to you?
Porn has been on the internet for about 15+ years. It ain't going anywhere anytime soon. If anything it's becoming more accessible than it used to be. Because internet speeds have increased, the porn industry went from streaming mobile phone quality videos, to 4K Ultra HD.
I think you underestimate the outrage of the American people if the government were to start censoring porn...
Fiscal sense in the short term or long term?
Because long term it makes perfect fiscal sense. Short term it doesn't, thus why it's an investment.
Government sucks in some areas, yes.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I'm gonna break this down, piece by piece
First things first. Why is Mark Cuban an expert? Sure he made money as a tech entrepreneur early .First by being a PC software reseller (in this case, think pre-internet boom, his company sold in 1990) then he joined up with an existing business, then flipped it in the dotcom boom.
So that aside, why should I consider his opinion over say, most internet content providers? Why would his opinion matter over say Jeff Bezos's?
So all that aside, Cuban is introducing a new word to the mix, "boost". Let's talk about what a fast lane really is. Not someone's made up definition. The term internet fast lane came from the FCC. It was a description given by Tom Wheeler in last April for his new "net neutrality" ideas. Re-purposing the word to mean some bull**** is just that, some bull****.
His idea of medical apps is fine and dandy, but he's speculating on tech that's very far away and may have no practical purpose.
Again, in what world does net neutrality make sense to anyone but ISPs and the ultra rich corporations who can then buy into those fastlanes?
If I'm a startup, I make **** for money, I make a video sharing site to compete with youtube, you think I have a shot in hell if they have way faster upload and download rates? Net Neutrality grants me the same rights as google. How is that bad thing? Do you think the already rich should have special rights?
There would be outrage but it wouldn't stop it. The anti-porn movement is strong, mostly because the far right(yuck, it's nudity) and the far left(it's abusive/we can't objectify women) agree on it. It won't be quick but in 20-30 years porn will be gone or at least very heavily restricted. What else will the government go after? It's hard to say. The government can't mind its own business.