Net Neutrality

[The Tariff King]

There would be outrage but it wouldn't stop it. The anti-porn movement is strong, mostly because the far right(yuck, it's nudity) and the far left(it's abusive/we can't objectify women) agree on it. It won't be quick but in 20-30 years porn will be gone or at least very heavily restricted. What else will the government go after? It's hard to say. The government can't mind its own business.

These are issues that people my age and zito's have no problem with.

I think you give too much credit to the left in this instance. Female porn stars are mostly openly feminists outside of their job. Porn would be no different than prohibition. Maybe it gets banned for a few years, an underground market will surface for a while then it will just get legalized again.

 

[zitothebrave]

These are issues that people my age and zito's have no problem with.

I think you give too much credit to the left in this instance. Female porn stars are mostly openly feminists outside of their job. Porn would be no different than prohibition. Maybe it gets banned for a few years, an underground market will surface for a while then it will just get legalized again.

On top of that, you can never really contain the internet. Simple IP change and you'd be accessing your content anyway. Banning internet access is totally foolish.

Though I do agree with Garmel's general idea that government control can lead to bad things. I'm a big fan of nuking government regulators regularly. If they don't feel they have to ban new things or **** like that to keep their job they likely won't. Case in point (IMO) FDA has gotten really stupid. FDA served a fantastic purpose when it was created, as the unregulated market was having all kinds of issues with well, pretty much anything food and drug related. Now they're regulating century old methods of making cheese and outlawing it because it's not something scientifically controllable. FDA doesn't like variations, it's why pot isn't a treatment for things because the chemical compounds of various plants can vary.

 

[Carp]

I am not seeing a downside to this bill.

 

[Carp]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/20/technology/innovation/chattanooga-internet/

If you even read about the fight Chatanooga had to go through from the cable industry just to do their own municipal internet network...

STILL going through. They just won a battle with the FCC to expand their market, and TN legislators (including Governor Haslam) are trying to fight it. I'm still trying to figure out how creating more access to insanely high internet speeds is a bad thing. I'm stuck with a measly 6 mps for $35/month. Up the road not even 12 miles, people are paying nearly the same price for 10x the speeds.

 

[Krgrecw]

Yes, they do correlate. When you let the government get involved you don't think they'll try to censor porn or other "offensive" material here in the States? Come on, man. You can't be that naive.

The FCC will have to uphold the internet to the same decency standards that they use for TV.

 

[yeezus]

STILL going through. They just won a battle with the FCC to expand their market, and TN legislators (including Governor Haslam) are trying to fight it. I'm still trying to figure out how creating more access to insanely high internet speeds is a bad thing. I'm stuck with a measly 6 mps for $35/month. Up the road not even 12 miles, people are paying nearly the same price for 10x the speeds.

Exactly, NOT having net neutrality is causing this.
The gov't is not going to start banning things. That is not how this works.
I am baffled the right is able to sell this crap to their "loyal" (ignorant) fleet.

 

[goldfly]

Sorry, but medical users and such should have fast lanes. Zito is all for ambulances having to sit in traffic with the rest of us. Take the lights and sirens off theses ambulances.

wow

 

[goldfly]

I am not seeing a downside to this bill.

 

[goldfly]

The reason no one lays more fiber lines through rural areas is bc it's not cost beneficial. Who's going to pay for it?

You think the govt in control is going to make things faster, run smoother, and cheaper?.the same people that spent equal to the first 6 years facebook operating budget to build a website that didn't work.

and we have figured out the job of gov't in this thread

i do think things would work better in this country if all sides wanted to make it work. i think you could answer yes to all of those questions. instead we bicker about which political friend of the D or R party gets credit for whatever

 

[goldfly]

It won't be quick but in 20-30 years porn will be gone or at least very heavily restricted. What else will the government go after? It's hard to say. The government can't mind its own business.

where can i place a bet that says this isn't going to happen?

i can set my retirement fund up this way

 

[acesfull86]

I don't know enough about this to have a strong opinion of whether it's good/bad (the lefties being unequivocally all in certainly makes me cautious). Anecdotally I'll say that my internet speed and choices of providers have been steadily increasing over the past 5, 10 years, and I wonder if this is a proposed solution to a problem that is being overstated at best or nonexistent at worst.

 

[The Tariff King]

I don't know enough about this to have a strong opinion of whether it's good/bad (the lefties being unequivocally all in certainly makes me cautious). Anecdotally I'll say that my internet speed and choices of providers have been steadily increasing over the past 5, 10 years, and I wonder if this is a proposed solution to a problem that is being overstated at best or nonexistent at worst.

Comcast has deals in some municipalities to be for the most part the only game in town. It's terrible.

 

[weso1]

and we have figured out the job of gov't in this thread

i do think things would work better in this country if all sides wanted to make it work. i think you could answer yes to all of those questions. instead we bicker about which political friend of the D or R party gets credit for whatever

I think you would make the perfect arbitrator. Maybe you can unite the negabraves and posibraves while you're at it.

 

[Dalyn]

Comcast has deals in some municipalities to be for the most part the only game in town. It's terrible.

Yep. Last three places I have lived the only option has been Comcast. And they take advantage of it with higher prices and worse customer service.

 

[gilesfan]

STILL going through. They just won a battle with the FCC to expand their market, and TN legislators (including Governor Haslam) are trying to fight it. I'm still trying to figure out how creating more access to insanely high internet speeds is a bad thing. I'm stuck with a measly 6 mps for $35/month. Up the road not even 12 miles, people are paying nearly the same price for 10x the speeds.

That's likely bc you are a hillbilly and it doesn't pay to give you that internet speed.

 

[gilesfan]

Yep. Last three places I have lived the only option has been Comcast. And they take advantage of it with higher prices and worse customer service.

What do you think will happen when the gov't has control over it? You think prices will go lower with improved customer service? How did Obamacare work out?

 

[Dalyn]

What do you think will happen when the gov't has control over it? You think prices will go lower with improved customer service? How did Obamacare work out?

I think prices will go lower with improved competition, which will also improve customer service. And I would prefer the government had no control, but I also definitely don't want the providers having control with no transparency, regulations, or accountability (which basically was the case before).

 

[Dalyn]

The FCC will have to uphold the internet to the same decency standards that they use for TV.

That's not true at all. See Reno v. ACLU.

 

[gilesfan]

I think prices will go lower with improved competition, which will also improve customer service. And I would prefer the government had no control, but I also definitely don't want the providers having control with no transparency, regulations, or accountability (which basically was the case before).

Innovation blooms without government regulation. Do you think if the government still ran the phone system, we would have smart phones?

People seem to believe that government is on a mission to help the little guy; when is that ever the case? You don't think the government looks after telecoms?

We see new competition coming on line all the time in the telecom industry. There aren't barriers to entry, which will exist with government regulation. (as is always the case)

How about privacy? Some of the people for net neutrality advocate privacy.....yet, they support the government, who tampers with routers with the purpose of spying?

Net neutrality is a good cause in theory. Government regulation isn't the answer though. Do you want the free market to choose how to allocate this finite resource or do you want the government to tell us how to allocate?

This quote from forbes sums it up:

Five years from now a new satellite technology may emerge that makes fiber obsolete, and we’ll all be getting wireless terabit downloads from space directly to our smartphones, anywhere in the world, for $5/month. Unrealistic? Just think what someone would have said in 1994 if you had tried to explain to them everything you can do today on an iPhone, and at what price.

 

[Dalyn]

Innovation blooms without government regulation. Do you think if the government still ran the phone system, we would have smart phones?

People seem to believe that government is on a mission to help the little guy; when is that ever the case? You don't think the government looks after telecoms?

We see new competition coming on line all the time in the telecom industry. There aren't barriers to entry, which will exist with government regulation. (as is always the case)

How about privacy? Some of the people for net neutrality advocate privacy.....yet, they support the government, who tampers with routers with the purpose of spying?

Net neutrality is a good cause in theory. Government regulation isn't the answer though. Do you want the free market to choose how to allocate this finite resource or do you want the government to tell us how to allocate?

This quote from forbes sums it up:

Five years from now a new satellite technology may emerge that makes fiber obsolete, and we’ll all be getting wireless terabit downloads from space directly to our smartphones, anywhere in the world, for $5/month. Unrealistic? Just think what someone would have said in 1994 if you had tried to explain to them everything you can do today on an iPhone, and at what price.

This is true. I am not in support of ANYONE controlling the internet, especially my access to it. But they already do, and if it is going to happen, I would rather it have some oversight.

The government is clearly not in it to help the little guy, but that does not mean their interests will never coincide with our own.

There are definitely barriers to competing in certain areas.

The government is already spying. This changes nothing.

It isn't the free market when companies have a monopoly in certain areas and take full advantage of it.

This is NOT the ideal outcome. I hate that control exists at all. But it is better than the realistically available alternative.