Neverending **** the Police thread.

I didn't think they would find him guilty. It's sad that so much pressure has to be put on some people to do the right thing.
 
striker42 said:
Who had to have pressure here? From the context it sounds like the jury.
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Pressure on them all, but mostly the jury.

Without the video tape, local protests and a bright national spotlight, this crime would've been quietly swept under the rug, like so many before it.
 
Runnin said:
Pressure on them all, but mostly the jury.

Without the video tape, local protests and a bright national spotlight, this crime would've been quietly swept under the rug, like so many before it.
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The jury should have no pressure outside of simply doing their job in the justice system. If the jury had any pressure to convict beyond simply following the evidence and their instructions, then the trial was not fair and no justice was done.
 
Tapate50 said:
Per the two police chiefs I spoke to recently, the legal system has made it all but impossible to fire bad apples without severe settlement money. If they do get fired, they just go to another police force

Lawyers gotta get paid son.
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And that is the problem. Moldy fruit if not removed causes the other fruit around it to rot too.
 
striker42 said:
The jury should have no pressure outside of simply doing their job in the justice system. If the jury had any pressure to convict beyond simply following the evidence and their instructions, then the trial was not fair and no justice was done.
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The jurists had extra pressure put on them because of where they sat in history, and because so many similar cases allowed cops to walk free. There was extra pressure and I'm sure there is plenty of fodder for a case to appeal. But there was also a lot of evidence that he was guilty, regardless of anything else.
 
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striker42 said:
The jury should have no pressure outside of simply doing their job in the justice system. If the jury had any pressure to convict beyond simply following the evidence and their instructions, then the trial was not fair and no justice was done.
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You're using a different definition of justice than the one he and the media are using, and have been using for a long time now. The dictionary will be updated to use their definition soon, if it hasn't been already.
 
Runnin said:
The jurists had extra pressure put on them because of where they sat in history, and because so many similar cases allowed cops to walk free. There was extra pressure and I'm sure there is plenty of fodder for a case to appeal. But there was also a lot of evidence that he was guilty, regardless of anything else.
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Then there was no justice in this case regardless of the evidence. Justice is only achieved if the defendant gets full process. A jury under enormous outside pressure to convict means the defendant is denied a fair and impartial jury and so was denied full process. That makes any sentence handed down nothing more than dressed up revenge.

Justice is not achieved by reaching a correct result, justice is achieved by allowing a correct process.
 
striker42 said:
No, and that might be a big problem on appeal. The defense requested it earlier this month and the judge refused. He also denied a change of venue, another thing that could be a problem on appeal.
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Also the prosecution discussed evidence that wasn’t permissible in court right?
 
Tapate50 said:
Not sure I agree there with the police force.

We are talking about a tiny % of police here.
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Not in my experience. I'm not saying a large % of cops will willfully murder someone. That percentage is very likely very low. But from my experience (and from the word of actual cops), I feel confident that a large % of them cover up illegal **** for the "brotherhood."
 
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thethe said:
Also the prosecution discussed evidence that wasn’t permissible in court right?
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They hugged the line. They failed to disclose some kind of test that showed the carbon monoxide levels to the defense. The defense brings in an expert that says Floyd could have been killed by the exhaust of the police car. The prosecution has a test that shows this theory is bogus but since they failed to promptly disclose it to the defense, it was inadmissible. They wanted the medical examiner to testify about this report and the judge allowed the ME to testify but said he couldn't mention the report. They got very close to it. A smart juror would have been able to infer the results from the context being discussed. It will undoubtedly be a part of the appeal.

This thing isn't over by a long shot. Lots of mistakes by the prosecution and the judge. The question is whether they were severe enough to overturn the conviction.
 
Carp said:
Not in my experience. I'm not saying a large % of cops will willfully murder someone. That percentage is very likely very low. But from my experience (and from the word of actual cops), I feel confident that a large % of them cover up illegal **** for the "brotherhood."
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that's the thing

# of rotten apples very small

# willing to protect the rotten apples not so small

it was striking to see fellow cops testifying against Chauvin...it is a rare thing and to be applauded
 
They released the body cam footage of the Columbus shooting. This is why police should be begging for body cams. The girl who got shot had a knife in her hand, had another girl up against a car, and was actively trying to stab her when the cop shot. It's tragic that a 16 year old died but I can't really fault the cop there.
 
nsacpi said:
that's the thing

# of rotten apples very small

# willing to protect the rotten apples not so small

it was striking to see fellow cops testifying against Chauvin...it is a rare thing and to be applauded
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Ooooo boy. I’ve made a similar logical argument with another subset of the human population and you rejected it wholeheartedly.

Full circle.
 




Heres a case that was recently settled for 180k. Cops rape a woman on the side of the road claiming they were looking for a small amount of marijuana. How would you feeling this happened to your wife or daughter and the sexual assualters face no consequences and they pay you off with tax payers money. 180k I guess is the going rate for vaginal and anal rape I guess.





And just to be clear all 3 cops involved in raping this woman are still active duty police officers. This is why they should burn **** down.
 
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cajunrevenge said:




Heres a case that was recently settled for 180k. Cops rape a woman on the side of the road claiming they were looking for a small amount of marijuana. How would you feeling this happened to your wife or daughter and the sexual assualters face no consequences and they pay you off with tax payers money. 180k I guess is the going rate for vaginal and anal rape I guess.





And just to be clear all 3 cops involved in raping this woman are still active duty police officers. This is why they should burn **** down.
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I wouldn't have settled jack **** for 180k.
 
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