Millwood1Hitter
Anytime Now Frankie...
If the Braves sign that scrub to a 5 year deal than I'm done.
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If the Braves sign that scrub to a 5 year deal than I'm done.
Way to completely miss the entire point of the post....
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I don't disagree with any of that. But signing Colon or even O Perez is just insane, no upside AND you spend your currency AND they don't move the needle. If you go get a guy like KJ then there is no reason to have Markakis since you are basically bringing him in for veteran leadership (at about 1/3 the yearly price and 1/10th the contract commitment).
It's the whole "be much better in 2016" while rebuilding for 2017 and beyond thing that is clearly dumb IMO. It's a waste of valuable assets that should be used to actually further the goal.
Definitely with ya there.
The reasoning - like it or not - is that scraping that kind of roster together more than likely allows Coppy to be true to his word that the team WILL win more games than last year.
They're simply not going to go the Astros/Cubs route and completely "tank" - they showed that last season. Signing those potential veteran trade pieces allows you to give Folty and Banuelos one more shot at getting healthy/improving their control and command enough to make them rotation options. I completely understand all those who want to give them every opportunity to be starters because of their upside - and agree to an extent - but the clock is ticking. It's going on 2+ years since either was called up the first time, and the results just haven't been there. Quit wasting time on their clocks and move them to the bullpen to help shorten games for Wisler (and even Sims and Jenkins who are rapidly looking like better SP options).
That's one of the pet peeves I've always had - if you've got someone with stuff as good as they do but can't harness it, make them legitimate weapons out of the pen instead of spending that extra year or two before getting something out of them. You've now got Perez, Weber, and Jenkins already taking up spots on the 40-Man Roster PLUS quite a few guys ready to try to finish their development at Gwinnett and Mississippi - Newcomb, Sims, Gant, Ellis, and Bird who aren't on the 40-Man Roster yet but will have to be added within the next year or so. Somebody's just going to HAVE to go to the pen whether they like it or not. Why would you transition the Perezes and Webers into "meh" 6th or 7th inning guys/long relievers when you could put Folty and Banuelos out there to simply mow hitters down?
Everybody wants a pen like the one the Royals have had - THAT'S the way you get one. Davis, Herrera, Hochevar, Duffy, and Almonte were ALL guys that were SPs with pretty high ceilings that just couldn't get through an MLB lineup that second or third time consistently.
The big problem with signing an "impact" guy like that is that you've given him a contract that 29 other teams WEREN'T willing to give him in the first place - AND tied yourself to him for multiple years. If you sign a Heyward/Upton/Cespedes/Gordon/Price/Greinke/whomever with the intention of spinning them for more prospects and they're not enough by themselves to make you instantly relevant (let's face it, even Trout and Harper couldn't do that at this point) and their performance suffers because they're now on a *hitty team, you kill their value.
Don't mean this to sound as bad as I know it will, but please let the pipe dream of Phillips go - you don't trade a prospect like that to get someone to eat a bad contract when you're already not competitive. I'm not saying he's "untouchable", but you only use players like that to help you compete NOW. Garza will be off their books following 2017, and Phillips may not be called up until the beginning of that year.
dak
Well-known member
Just looked through all the OFs who can play CF and IFs who can play up the middle if needed.
Teoscar Hernandez and Jake Cave seem like the only two OFs that can play a legit CF and are "ready enough". Cave is more ready, and Hernandez has more upside. Unfortunately, splits against LHP don't look good for either, making them tough to platoon with Bourn (and eventually Mallex).
For the IFs, there are a couple guys that are "ready enough" and can play 2B and 3B. T. J. Rivera and Jacob Wilson. MiLB slash line for Rivera: 315 / 364 / 405. MiLB slash line for Wilson: 262 / 342 / 444. Neither have significant platoon splits.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
It's the idea, not the specifics.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
we have a very crowded outfield.. but they may.. I also like T.J. from the Muts. Dude can flat out hit..
I like Jake Cave too. My issue with Teoscar is his K rate in the minors. 25% to just 8% BB rate..and he hasn't made it past AA.. not sure, but like others, I wouldn't cry about getting him.
I also still like
Tyler Goeddel – OF/3B—23—only made it to AA, but he can fly. Shown some power of late. Actually played better against better competition.
Balbino Fuenmayor—1B—25—this guy has a cool story. The link is below.. he killed the ball last year slashing .358/.384/.589/.972 between AA and AAA.. I think someone takes a flyer on this guy.. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/balbino-fuenmayor-from-indy-baller-to-relevant-prospect/
Aristides Aquino—RF—21—In 2014 he had a .912 OPS—here is his 2015 beginning profile
scouting report on him....
10) Aristedes Aquino, OF, Grade B-/Borderline C+: Age 20, hit .292/.342/.577 with 16 homers, 21 steals, 15 walks, 66 strikeouts in 284 at-bats in Pioneer League. Exciting power/speed potential with impatience issues, a typical pattern for Reds position players. Promising broad base of tools, flashes the skills and young enough to build them up, though risk premium is pretty high too.
---Maybe too young----
Daury Torrez—RHP—22—doesn’t miss a lot of bats.. but good whip (1.01) and ERA (2.96)..
Ty Buttrey—RHP—22 –big guy at 6-6 235—For the first time in his pro career, Buttrey, a 2012 fourth-rounder who received a first-round bonus, has looked like the pitcher the Sox scouted in high school, combining a mid-90s fastball with a power curve. and throwing everything for strikes. It remains to be seen if he’ll stay in the rotation, but regardless, he’s now on a big league path.
UNCBlue012
Well-known member
@jcrasnick: #Marlins are seeking a young starter in exchange for Ozuna, who has fallen out of favor with Miami owner Jeffrey Loria.
Oklahomabrave
Anytime Now Frankie...
Says working on trade with the Mariners. Wish we would get in on that.
UNCBlue012
Well-known member
Shanks (like him or not) says he doesn't think we will be in on him. I personally don't understand why not. We need young guys to build around, I'd love building with a guy like him. He's not fantastic, but I like his upside and he would be a perfect bat to slide around the six hole. Make some trades to add him or Soler, improve the BP and we are looking decent moving forward.
Always hate to agree with Bill, but afraid I have to in this case. Ozuna would likely cost Teheran at the minimum. We have control of Julio for longer since Ozuna will be arbitration-eligible following 2016. With Borass as his agent there's a 99% chance he goes to a hearing each of the next 3 years, and almost no chance of signing him to an extension before he hits free-agency.
My guess is that's pretty much the same reason the Mariners aren't interested in giving up Taijuan Walker for him. Just not sure we'd be "making progress" by trading Julio for him to be our RF through 2019 and backing ourselves into a corner where we had to pay an OF $11 million to sit on the bench (Markakis) until we could trade him. Coppy wouldn't have ANY leverage in any Markakis deal at that point - we're already paying $29 million to backup OFs in Bourn and Swisher as it is.
zbhargrove
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Ozuna is another case of an overrated player who is still riding the value of his potential, and not what he's actually done on the field with ample MLB time already.
The problem is Hart/Coppy have severely limited how we can build an offense. The crap Olivera trade now that he can't play 3B and Markakis for the next 3 years in RF blocks two logical spots where we could target young high impact bats. We essentially have to completely ignore the OF when trading and that's a problem. On the surface we're all in on rebuilding yet we invest in Olivera/Markakis and plan to spend all available funds this offseason on bullpen help. We should be looking to deal Markakis now.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
probably going to be hard to deal nick at night. he is a one tool player. No defense, no power, no arm, no speed..what contending team wants a RF who can only hit for average and can't stop a catcher speed guy going from first to third.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I think there will be a market for Markakis, but we probably won't get a lot for him. An AL team could always move him to LF.
We should be focused on clearing his salary. He'll be a solid player this year but it's the final 2 years of the deal which are a problem. I think we'll get a solid prospect or two but nothing high end.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
On the Rule 5 guys, Goeddel looks like an interesting prospect. I love the name Aristides Aquino, but he's really far away from the big leagues. Cave and Hernandez also look interesting, but Cave would be redundant to Mallex Smith.