NFL Draft Thread

zitothebrave said:
Lulz.

Aside from the years they picked high and got Smith and the year he was setup with 2 picks in the 10-20 range, what has he done? AJ Jenkins? Eric Reid looks solid but not spectacular so far so who knows with him. He's gotten some good picks but he's hardly "basically the best drafter" I'm pretty sure the Pats kill it with that as they're always picking in the late 20s and always are one of the best teams in the league. Seattle has done great recently but like SF they benefitted from some high picks from sucking. Great drafting happens when you find a Gronk later in the draft. That's great drafting.
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2010: Davis/Iupati/Bowman/Dixon/Brock(undrafted)
2011: Smith/Kaep/Culliver/Hunter/Kilgore/Miller
2012: Horrible Draft
2013: Reid/McDonald/Lemonier/Patton

That doesn't include wildcards in 2013 like Tank/Lattimore.

You are foolish if you aren't acknowledging that Baalke is among the top 2-3 drafters in the last 4 years (since he became GM). There is a reason they are still competing at a high level even after doling out a bunch of contracts.
 
thethe said:
2010: Davis/Iupati/Bowman/Dixon/Brock(undrafted)
2011: Smith/Kaep/Culliver/Hunter/Kilgore/Miller
2012: Horrible Draft
2013: Reid/McDonald/Lemonier/Patton

That doesn't include wildcards in 2013 like Tank/Lattimore.

You are foolish if you aren't acknowledging that Baalke is among the top 2-3 drafters in the last 4 years (since he became GM). There is a reason they are still competing at a high level even after doling out a bunch of contracts.
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He can't be the one of the best drafters in the league and completely dismiss an entire draft class.
 
thethe said:
2010: Davis/Iupati/Bowman/Dixon/Brock(undrafted)
2011: Smith/Kaep/Culliver/Hunter/Kilgore/Miller
2012: Horrible Draft
2013: Reid/McDonald/Lemonier/Patton

That doesn't include wildcards in 2013 like Tank/Lattimore.

You are foolish if you aren't acknowledging that Baalke is among the top 2-3 drafters in the last 4 years (since he became GM). There is a reason they are still competing at a high level even after doling out a bunch of contracts.
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2010 he had 2 picks in the top 20. 2011 he picked 7. Unless you royally **** up like say the Falcons did with Edwards or whatever that bum was usually those guys wind up pretty good. Bowman and Kaepernick are the only stars from after the first round.

I guess Tom Dimitroff is amazing too.

2008 - Ryan/Baker/Lofton/Douglas/Biermann
2009 - WIlly Mo
2010 - Spoon/Peters/Hawley
2011 - Julio/Rodgers
2012 - Bad draft
2013 - Trufant/Alford/Worrilow(undrafted)

OMG HE'S SO AMAZING

Niners are competing at a high level because they have a great team. They are in a 3 year run, if they're still there 5 years from now, then maybe you have a point. They're not the Pats, Steelers, Ravens, etc. teams that year in and year out are competitive if not winning. I like with TD has done with the Falcons. Can't argue too hard against someone who's so massively changed the culture in Atlanta, but I'm not gonna overrate him because of some good players taken.
 
Nix for the Texans is a great value pick. They've had a heck of a draft. Clowney is obviously a stud, added an impact OL, and they now just added arguably the best NT in the draft.
 
I imagine you Falcon fans want to know about Hageman. Watched him all four years up here in Minnesota. Extremely talented physically, but extremely raw and needs to clean up his technique and run his motor at a little higher RPM. Probably best in a rotation system. When he's dialed in and goes for it, he can destroy pretty much anything in front of him. Trouble is, he gets a bit confused at times, so he's probably best in a system that will just point him in a direction and turn him loose.

Great personal story. Overcame a very rough childhood. Was adopted by a family in South Minneapolis and made it through college (earned his degree in 4.5 years after almost being ineligible after his freshman year). Credit current Gopher coach Jerry Kill with helping him turn it around.
 
zitothebrave said:
Apparently the Falcons are big on size-speed picks today. Southward is big and fast, but has almost no polish.
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Southward would get lost in a phone booth. I'm not a Badger fan, but he can probably identify every receiver in the Big 10 because he saw all the names on the back of the jerseys.
 
Minus 2012, Baalke has killed the draft.

He's top 2-5, or somewhere up there.

Still not sure how a roster that deep will have more than 6-7 rookies make their team.

And why i think they should of traded up for a blue-chip guy.
 
50PoundHead said:
Southward would get lost in a phone booth. I'm not a Badger fan, but he can probably identify every receiver in the Big 10 because he saw all the names on the back of the jerseys.
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Watched the ASU game , he looks a but reluctant to put his hat in the fray, but if he plays cF for us that's fine more times than not. Is rather him play conservative until he figures out the next level. All the reviews say he can cover a slot guy, but was a bit stiff.
 
Fired up for Jerrick to go in the 3rd round. That's two years running GSU puts someone in the top 3 Rds of the draft. Wish Atl had a shot at him, but oh well. He should get some work behind AP, but not be relied upon in any capacity in year 1.
 
Heyward said:
Minus 2012, Baalke has killed the draft.

He's top 2-5, or somewhere up there.

Still not sure how a roster that deep will have more than 6-7 rookies make their team.

And why i think they should of traded up for a blue-chip guy.
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Aside from 25% of his drafts he's killed the draft? Come on lets be real. This isn't someone who's had an insane amount of drafts to look back on. His first year he was given an extra mid first round pick by the previous GM, sure he deserves some credit for not ****ting the bed but how much credit are you willing to give. His first real test draft as a winning GM was 2012 and he shat the bed. 2013 he addressed the singular need the team had and used the other picks for high risk high reward guys. Not a bad strategy but not amazing either.

As I look at it with him. Too early to really comment on 2013, but 2010 he had 3 quality picks, Davis, Iupati, and Bowman. Only Bowman was a late pick. 2011 was the banner year where they used their high picks to get Smith, second round pick of Kaepernick,and Culliver, with a few good value picks in Kilgore and Hunter.

Baalke has drafted what 8 or 9 of San Fran's starting 22? His predecessors 6 or 7 and the remaining balance were free agents. Good return basically averaging 2 NFL starters a draft, but that's not some kind of wizardry.
 
zitothebrave said:
Aside from 25% of his drafts he's killed the draft? Come on lets be real. This isn't someone who's had an insane amount of drafts to look back on. His first year he was given an extra mid first round pick by the previous GM, sure he deserves some credit for not ****ting the bed but how much credit are you willing to give. His first real test draft as a winning GM was 2012 and he shat the bed. 2013 he addressed the singular need the team had and used the other picks for high risk high reward guys. Not a bad strategy but not amazing either.

As I look at it with him. Too early to really comment on 2013, but 2010 he had 3 quality picks, Davis, Iupati, and Bowman. Only Bowman was a late pick. 2011 was the banner year where they used their high picks to get Smith, second round pick of Kaepernick,and Culliver, with a few good value picks in Kilgore and Hunter.

Baalke has drafted what 8 or 9 of San Fran's starting 22? His predecessors 6 or 7 and the remaining balance were free agents. Good return basically averaging 2 NFL starters a draft, but that's not some kind of wizardry.
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These aren't just NFL starters. These are stars at their position. Who has had a higher hit rate the last 4 years?
 
Falcons need to use number 103 on a OLB. Not sure who the best available is but they need someone to get to the QB. Glad we beefed up our OL, DL and are working on our secondary, all were needs, but we need someone who can get to the QB. Having an amazing secondary (not something Southward would magically do) is no good if they have to cover for 7 seconds. the season Trufant had last year was super impressive because he was out there in coverage so much and still was one of the top corners in the game. Falcons can't give QBs forever in the pocket, only Trufant has insane cover abilities. Willy Mo and Alford are ball hawks they need QBs to make mistakes and they take them away.

Serious question though, what are the odds that Southward is better than DeCoud right now? I'm not saying he is but DeCoud was brutal last year. He was OK when he only had to cover for a few seconds, but once the WR/TE had some time to run their route he looked horrific.
 
thethe said:
These aren't just NFL starters. These are stars at their position.
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I wouldn't call Kaepernick a star, he's very good and may become a star but I wouldn't call him a star. And there's no way Culliver and Reid are stars either. Maybe reid gets there but he's not there yet. The stars are Smith, Bowman, Iupati, and Davis. You can even argue Davis to a degree as he's not one of the elite LT does that mean he's even a star cause he's a really good LT? Kilgore haven't seen enough of to determine his ability. So I'll wait and see for the season.

In the last 4 years Dimitroff has added 3 stars does that make him amazing since he's one off from where the best drafter in the NFL is at? ANd he did all that without picking in the top 16 any season.
 
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