No discussion on the theater shooting?

That's a hella good attitude.

Keys to fixing gun problems that will never happen because lobbyists on both sides

1. Universal health care including mental health. You may be asking yourself what the 2 have to do with each other and it's well known that most mass shootings are done by someone with a mental disorder or some sorts, often times not being treated. Better overall mental health in this country is important.

2. Require more strict testing for and for retaining your gun. Police are typically required to recertify in firearm training very year or month. Some states have no standard for even certifying the first time they're capable of owning a gun. I also think as part of this usage of the testing is a course held by the police explaining the laws of the state, and how they are trained to use firearms.

3. Strict penalties for anyone found using a firearm or possessing a firearm that's illegal.

Those are the 3 basic things that could cut down on mass shootings. The first being the most important. The second would possibly stop shootings that aren't of the mass variety but done by people who may not quite fully grasp the gravity of the situation they're in or will be in when pulling a gun.

There are a handful of sad truths everyone has to come to realize in the pro-gun side. First is that pulling a gun can turn a situation that may have been a robbery or an assault adn turn it into a life and death situation, which you don't know how you or the person you're with would react. Maybe they stand down, or maybe they shoot first, or maybe you kill them, who knows, regardless your life will change drastically in many ways. Second is that the idea behind the second amendment of arming citizens to defend against tyranny is bunk. You owning an AK-47 won't stop the US government's tanks, stealth bombers, nuclear arsenal, etc. Sure you may be able to kill a few soldiers, but short of a mass uprising (read most of the population) not a thing good would come of it. In 2014 more so than maybe any point in the history of America, the pen is indeed mightier than the sword. Revolution has to happen via protest and legislation, because no militia stands a remote chance against the US war machine. The last is there needs to be a federal law regarding gun ownership. Some may not think this is important, some may think it's horrible (sturg) but you have some states where you can get a gun easily, and sure it's illegal to use that gun in some way or another in another state, but as has been stated a million times, someone who wants to commit a crime won't be deterred by laws. A single standard law that covers every state and every city with a standard to own and operate a fire arm is much better than leaving it in the current system. For example Alabama has some of the more lax laws on gun ownership (no permit needed for purchase, no registration, no ownership license required) what would stop someone from getting guns from Alabama and then moving them to tougher states to use as weapons? Of course even with strict laws people can get around them, but it's not as easy.

Last point on the subject is more of a soap box than contributing to the discussion, for the life of me I don't get why some republicans think they should own as many guns as possible and not need to have it registered or whatever, but think voter ID laws is cool. In what perverse universe does it make sense that owning a tool that's sole purpose is to kill should be easier to get than annual voting?

Good set of recommendations zito. I think that peace officers have to re-certify monthly and the Minnesota Highway Patrol guys I know told me they have to do "active" scenarios at least once a year (where they have to react to a simulated emergency).

I don't agree with the NRA on much, but where I do agree with them is their suggestion that if you commit a crime with a gun, your sentence is automatically increased (at least that used to be one of their suggestions).

But there is no excuse not to have more thorough background checks. There simply isn't.
 
Zito this where your wrong..

If convicted felons can illegally obtain guns why would mentally challenged people also be able to illegally obtain them?

Take the last few shootings

Did the kid at newtown have his own gun he legally got?

Guy that shoot up the movie theater did he go to a gun store and buy a gun?

Guy who shoot the congresswoman in Arizona? Did he legally obtain a gun?

Your ideas wouldn't had prevented one of these tragedies.

Kids at columbine buy guns legally?

Like AA says people can get guns left and right through illegal means. Laws won't prevent tragedies. laws only prevent law abiding citizens from protecting themselves.

I find it humorous that the only time the liberals bring up gun control is in the face of tragedies yet black people are committing murders against themselves in inner cities and gun control is never mentioned. And those are the majority of murders in America.
 
Zito this where your wrong..

If convicted felons can illegally obtain guns why would mentally challenged people also be able to illegally obtain them?

Take the last few shootings

Did the kid at newtown have his own gun he legally got?

Guy that shoot up the movie theater did he go to a gun store and buy a gun?

Guy who shoot the congresswoman in Arizona? Did he legally obtain a gun?

Your ideas wouldn't had prevented one of these tragedies.

Kids at columbine buy guns legally?

Like AA says people can get guns left and right through illegal means. Laws won't prevent tragedies. laws only prevent law abiding citizens from protecting themselves.

I find it humorous that the only time the liberals bring up gun control is in the face of tragedies yet black people are committing murders against themselves in inner cities and gun control is never mentioned. And those are the majority of murders in America.

Needs to be greater control of buying guns/ammo over the internet.

As for the Newtown shooting, I don't know if the mother had the guns locked up or even if she did, the kid still got the keys, but if you've got a schizophrenic kid in the house, you need to take extra measures to make sure he/she can't get at the guns. I don't know if that can ever be a law, because it's largely unenforceable and I'm not for littering the statutes with feel-good language that doesn't accomplish anything. But the shooter's mother bears a pretty big responsibility in my book for not being responsible about her son's mental illness, which is the major part of the problem in that particular instance.
 
There is more red tape and regulation involved in bringing a dog home from the pound than there is owning a weapon.
That speaks ---- no---- yells volumes

and two:
Begin holding those that profit from the weapon to bear some responsibility for the destruction

There are more restrictions on buying cold medicines than buying weapons.

And please lets call them what they are. Calling them "firearms" is fudging the subject. They are implements used for the purpose of killing anything that gets in their path.
Weapons
 
Not really. If Zimmerman the neighborhood crime watch guy gets off free, this ex-cop could possibly get his own show on Fox News!

If you equate throwing a bag of popcorn at someone to bring on top of someone punching them repeatedly then I can see how you come to such a warped conclusion.

This guy should get a shirt that says " I am not racist, I only shoot white people".
 
Zito this where your wrong..

If convicted felons can illegally obtain guns why would mentally challenged people also be able to illegally obtain them?

Take the last few shootings

Did the kid at newtown have his own gun he legally got?

Guy that shoot up the movie theater did he go to a gun store and buy a gun?

Guy who shoot the congresswoman in Arizona? Did he legally obtain a gun?

Your ideas wouldn't had prevented one of these tragedies.

Kids at columbine buy guns legally?

Like AA says people can get guns left and right through illegal means. Laws won't prevent tragedies. laws only prevent law abiding citizens from protecting themselves.

I find it humorous that the only time the liberals bring up gun control is in the face of tragedies yet black people are committing murders against themselves in inner cities and gun control is never mentioned. And those are the majority of murders in America.

1. Mental health was clearly addressed in my post. Having better mental care could prevent them from even considering shooting someone up.

For the Newton shooting aside from the mental health aspect part of it, a better trained mother may have taken better care of her gun.

You're right in the basic truth that if someone wants to kill someone we can't stop them. But not trying is not an option either. There's lots of things that are inevitable if someone really wants to do them. If someone really wants to make a nuclear bomb they can, does that mean we shouldn't try to stop them or just let everyone own a nuke?
 
If you equate throwing a bag of popcorn at someone to bring on top of someone punching them repeatedly then I can see how you come to such a warped conclusion.

This guy should get a shirt that says " I am not racist, I only shoot white people".

Let's not go back to the Zimmerman thing.

Mr. Neighborhood Crime Watch should've never pursued even after being told not to.

The whole "they always get away with this" or whatever he said to the operator is enough for me to know he should have never pursued Trayvon.

End.
 
Lots of theaters don't completely dim the lights until the actual movie begins.

Some theaters dim it halfway at the start of the previews.

Also, previews have enough brightness most of the time to where those guys would be shined on them.
 
Yeah. I don't know how this case will play out. The old man obviously lost it for a second. He seemed like he was a decent guy that led a good life. The victim was being an ass.

Is the jury only 5 in this case?

Guess it will be a manslaughter verdict. But if it's a jury of 12, it'll be hung every time. You're not going to get all 12 people to convict their 'grandpa'

Could be 'self defense' if the young guy threatened him before throwing the popcorn at him. That's what I'd go with if there was a threat.

The theatre is going to be ****ed. Both parties can sue the **** out of it.
 
Needs to be greater control of buying guns/ammo over the internet.

As for the Newtown shooting, I don't know if the mother had the guns locked up or even if she did, the kid still got the keys, but if you've got a schizophrenic kid in the house, you need to take extra measures to make sure he/she can't get at the guns. I don't know if that can ever be a law, because it's largely unenforceable and I'm not for littering the statutes with feel-good language that doesn't accomplish anything. But the shooter's mother bears a pretty big responsibility in my book for not being responsible about her son's mental illness, which is the major part of the problem in that particular instance.

There isn't much difference in buying a gun over the internet and in person. You still have to go to a FFL and get all your paperwork finished up.
 
There is more red tape and regulation involved in bringing a dog home from the pound than there is owning a weapon.
That speaks ---- no---- yells volumes

and two:
Begin holding those that profit from the weapon to bear some responsibility for the destruction

There are more restrictions on buying cold medicines than buying weapons.

And please lets call them what they are. Calling them "firearms" is fudging the subject. They are implements used for the purpose of killing anything that gets in their path.
Weapons

Lol. I mean if you say illegally, then yeah. Most private sales even have a bill of sale and drivers license provided.
 
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