Obamacare architect thinks all of you are stupid.

bravesnumberone said:
Well, premiums are still boning people over, regardless.
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No schit. My boss came and said OBAMAcare, not ACA, that he has to raise rates because the hospitals (they are being stiff due to the ACA). I already mentioned that in another thread.

Out of pocket went way up, but boss had some good ideas to keep it from hurting us.

Do not need to go to urgent care if your kids is throwing up. We have a doc 24 hours a day, no cost to us.

We have our own pharmacy, generic medicine though

We have our own RN on call during duty hours.

He did this after reviewing the costs but hospitals hate this.

ACA has a few redeeming qualities but it does hurt middle class Americans like me who is paying for the ones who have nor want a job.
 
weso1 said:
This was a test. You guys really aren't stupid. You are actually quite smart. I think everyone on this board knows what Obama was up to. And I don't blame him for it. I get it really. It's just propaganda and I get it. McGoober or whatever his name is is just an incredibly supercilious asshole. The irony is that McGoober is stupid as crap for making these comments.
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Was your sarcasm meter bought in China?
 
This story should come as a surprise to no one. There have been nothing but lies from the start. Remember when the mandate wasn't a tax before it was?
 
acesfull86 said:
This story should come as a surprise to no one. There have been nothing but lies from the start. Remember when the mandate wasn't a tax before it was?
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i do

and i remember a republican judge was the say that made that happen
 
And that means what to you? Is he the guy who wrote the bill? He the guy who passed it? Sold the country one thing, then argued the opposite in court?
 
acesfull86 said:
Not only is the first sentence a lie (or just "misremembering"), according to a NY Times article from 2012, her second sentence might be a lie too:

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Along with these credentials, Mr. Gruber’s position as an adviser to the influential Congressional Budget Office also left him perfectly positioned to advise the White House on health reform.

“The most important arbiter of everything was the C.B.O.,” said Neera Tanden, who was a senior adviser for health reform at the Department of Health and Human Services.

The C.B.O.’s assessment of a bill’s efficacy and costs strongly influences political debate, but the office does not publicly reveal how it calculates those numbers.

“We knew the numbers he gave us would be close to where the C.B.O. was likely to come out,” Ms. Tanden said. She was right.

After Mr. Gruber helped the administration put together the basic principles of the proposal, the White House lent him to Capitol Hill to help Congressional staff members draft the specifics of the legislation.

link from NY Times

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Helping Congressional staff members draft specifics of the legislation sounds a hell of a lot like helping them write the bill. But what do I know, I'm just a stupid American.
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Technically she is telling the truth, if Gruber didn't physically help write the bill with a pen and paper. Plausible deniability!
 
sturg33 said:
ACA is somehow Republican's fault in Goldy's eyes.
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Well, maybe not for the reasons he is implying. But the the Republican's complete refusal to even participate in the bill led to the Dems having to suck up to the Lieberman's of the world, which led to the bill being a complete giveaway to the insurance companies.
 
Doing nothing > passing a bad bill

For me, blaming the other side's obstruction is just a cop out. Just because the left couldn't get its ideal bill is no reason to give them a pass on the actual bill.
 
acesfull86 said:
Doing nothing > passing a bad bill

For me, blaming the other side's obstruction is just a cop out. Just because the left couldn't get its ideal bill is no reason to give them a pass on the actual bill.
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Doing nothing wasn't gonna happen. The Republicans had a choice to participate and they chose not to. I'm not crediting them the whole bill, but the death of the public option and the subsequent giveaway to the insurance companies... yeah, that's on them.
 
an awful lot of people will disagree with the "passing a bad bill" characterization.

An awful lot of people saw "doing nothing" no longer an option
 
57Brave said:
an awful lot of people will disagree with the "passing a bad bill" characterization.

An awful lot of people saw "doing nothing" no longer an option
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Judging by the all-time low approval ratings, I think more people would like a redo on a bill that couldn't muster any support from the other side of the aisle, required the administration to renege on its tax promises, and apparently relied on the ignorance of the American people to even get passed.

Did I say ignorance? I meant stupidity.
 
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