Obamacare architect thinks all of you are stupid.

Metaphysicist said:
I would love to see the argument that the American public is NOT stupid when it comes to politics.
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I don't think they're stupid...I think they're rationally ignorant. IMO in most cases, the cost of getting informed is greater than the benefit, especially when you consider your individual vote is virtually meaningless when it comes to deciding an election result.

But when people are told that a massive piece of legislation was only possible due to their own stupidity by the guy who helped craft it, I would think that would outrage some folks. Basically saying "if you guys pulled your heads out of the sand and actually knew what was in this piece of **** bill, we'd never be able to pass it!"
 
acesfull86 said:
Judging by the all-time low approval ratings, I think more people would like a redo on a bill that couldn't muster any support from the other side of the aisle, required the administration to renege on its tax promises, and apparently relied on the ignorance of the American people to even get passed.

Did I say ignorance? I meant stupidity.
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Had they given Boehner a pony it wouldn't have gotten an (R) vote.
Were you sleeping during that period --
"you lie" remember -- "death panels" remember - the staged " Town Hall " meetings remember - "keep the governments hands off my Medicare" remember -"Moran" remember - the Tea Party rally where they ...
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Those poor approval ratings are based in a large part on (R) being (R) and many many (D) still holding out for a single payer.
Depending on how the question is asked I could be for it or against it.

Then it
Goes back to the public being ignorant --- Obamacare .
As recently as 2 weeks ago a poster on this board bragged he didn't have Obamacare.
Only to be informed that one does not get or have Obamacare any more than one does not get or have Taft - Hartly Act

We laughed a few months back how the public was in favor of ACA but hated Obamacare.
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Of course 4 years down the road people would like a re-do. Name any 4 year old bill they wouldn't.
Let's use No Child Left Behind as an example. Or how about authorizing the Executive Branch to intervene in Iraq.
Or, go back to the 1965 Voters Rights Act.
Sherman Anti Trust
Probably ask John Addams if he would have like a re-do on the Constitution 4 years down the line
Hell, I'd like to get a re do on some decisions I made 4 years ago.

Speaking of stupid ideas ....
 
what does that mean?
Standard ?
Team?

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I do understand that baseball seasons are 162 games and games last 9 innings.
Football is a 60 minute game and NBA basketball goes 48.

And one never knows what happens at the end until -- the end.
Most often you have to play the game to see who wins just like often they must pass a bill to see what is in it.
What is in it meaning how it effects people, how the nuts and bolts work, what mechanisms flow and which ones don't. etc
Pretty sure NP is not the first legislator to use that saying

Why is this phrase she made such an issue? If your "team" thought about what was said in stead of parroting Sarah Palin, Rush,Fox Sean and Bill-O you would understand things. Capital U small u n d e r s t a n d
 
57Brave said:
what does that mean?

Standard ?

Team?

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I do understand that baseball seasons are 162 games and games last 9 innings.

Football is a 60 minute game and NBA basketball goes 48.

And one never knows what happens at the end until -- the end.

Most often you have to play the game to see who wins just like often they must pass a bill to see what is in it.

What is in it meaning how it effects people, how the nuts and bolts work, what mechanisms flow and which ones don't. etc

Pretty sure NP is not the first legislator to use that saying

Why is this phrase she made such an issue? If your "team" thought about what was said in stead of parroting Sarah Palin, Rush,Fox Sean and Bill-O you would understand things. Capital U small u n d e r s t a n d
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The Reps get some guy to help write a bill then a video of him hits the web saying they were only able to pass it because the American people are stupid...then Paul Ryan tells the press he never heard of the guy even though he cited him in the past...you're the first one on here posting the link from the Huff Post, not lecturing us that this is all part of the process. That's what I mean by standards and teams. BTW, I remember BillO/Hannity/etc ignoring Ron Paul, refusing to display their own polls when he'd win them, telling everyone he was a kook with no chance...unless those guys became libertarians in the past few years and no one told me, they're not on my team.
 
57 is laughable.

The architect of the bill knew how horrible it was. Knew everyone would have to be lied to get it passed. Mission accomplished. Now everyone from the left is distancing themselves, even though they were praising the same guy 5 years ago.

57 applauds as the American people suffers, but big government gets a lot fatter so he is happy. More control from DC.
 
Aren't you whining on another thread about how the rich are the only ones doing well in this country? Which is it?
 
I am on another thread thinking people overreacted to yesterdays trade or on another thread on how the SEC is overrated - but I dont think the rich are the "only ones doing well" may have said trickle down econ is a ruse.

Tell us all what "suffer" or "struggle" looks like in your world

Having to contribute to the tax system ???

another note. I never assume I know what you think, as in "Sturg thinks xyz..."

I ask ;)
 
Via Politico

Jonathan Gruber was “the man” behind Obamacare, according to a former adviser to President Barack Obama.

“The problem is not that Gruber helped them put Obamacare together, because he was the man,” Steve Rattner, who worked as Obama’s lead adviser in 2009 for the Presidential Task Force on the Auto Industry, said Tuesday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

“The problem is what he said in the last two weeks and how the White House has handled it,” Rattner added.

Gruber, an MIT professor and health care expert who has been dubbed as the “architect of Obamacare,” has come under fire after multiple videos surfaced in which he ridicules voters. In one video, he calls voters “too stupid” to understand the Affordable Care Act, while in another, he speaks about misleading voters on details of the law.

Obama has since pushed back on his claims and noted that Gruber was “never on [the White House] staff.”

Rattner said his influence was enormous.

“Jonathan Gruber was, back in the day in 2009, the guru on health care,” said Rattner, who was known as the “car czar” when he worked in the administration. “I remember that when I was in the White House, he was certainly viewed as an important figure in helping to put Obamacare together.”

“I think if you go back and look at the Washington Post or the New York Times or anything from that period you will find Jonathan Gruber’s name all over it as both someone who’s the leading expert on health care quoted by everybody"

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"He didn't help write our bill," Nancy Pelosi.
 
acesfull86 said:
Via Politico

Jonathan Gruber was “the man” behind Obamacare, according to a former adviser to President Barack Obama.

“The problem is not that Gruber helped them put Obamacare together, because he was the man,” Steve Rattner, who worked as Obama’s lead adviser in 2009 for the Presidential Task Force on the Auto Industry, said Tuesday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

“The problem is what he said in the last two weeks and how the White House has handled it,” Rattner added.

Gruber, an MIT professor and health care expert who has been dubbed as the “architect of Obamacare,” has come under fire after multiple videos surfaced in which he ridicules voters. In one video, he calls voters “too stupid” to understand the Affordable Care Act, while in another, he speaks about misleading voters on details of the law.

Obama has since pushed back on his claims and noted that Gruber was “never on [the White House] staff.”

Rattner said his influence was enormous.

“Jonathan Gruber was, back in the day in 2009, the guru on health care,” said Rattner, who was known as the “car czar” when he worked in the administration. “I remember that when I was in the White House, he was certainly viewed as an important figure in helping to put Obamacare together.”

“I think if you go back and look at the Washington Post or the New York Times or anything from that period you will find Jonathan Gruber’s name all over it as both someone who’s the leading expert on health care quoted by everybody"

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"He didn't help write our bill," Nancy Pelosi.
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All a part of the process
 
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