For an elite position player? Sure. Not for a pitcher. Unless it was like Swanson and organizational filler for Fulmer (which won't happen by the way).
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For an elite position player? Sure. Not for a pitcher. Unless it was like Swanson and organizational filler for Fulmer (which won't happen by the way).
Of course ...I don't want to trade him just to trade him. Only in a Fulmer/Archer type trade.
sturg33
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Of course teams would jump at getting him. But we won't get nearly the value for him that we would have this time a year ago
Sure, but do you agree they would take him over Ozzie in some instances?
We have other pieces that are more fungible though. Trading Swanson for pitching would not be a good move when we have pitching to spare. If they demanded Swanson, the rest of the package better be completely secondary pieces like Pache, Demeritte, or Riley and organizational filler. I realize Swanson doesn't have the value that Fulmer does, but it just doesn't make sense to trade from a weakness to fill a spot where you have a plethora of near ready options.
That's exactly what I'm thinking. He would be the main peice and we retain all of our top ten AND add someone like Fulmer. That's really the only way I would even think about it, but you would have to consider it.
Southcack77
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Nah, performance doesn't affect trade value a whole lot. He's still a young prospect who is probably still worth 1/3 of Shelby Miller.
sturg33
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No I don't see a single scenario where dansby would be wanted more than Albies
There is some speculation that the Twin might deal Santana and Garcia if they don't start winning very soon. From MLBTR: "they could offer to flip him to a more clear-cut contender, still pay his contract, and receive a better prospect than the Huascar Ynoa, whom they traded to Atlanta to get Garcia in the first place."
That would be so infuriating it would move into the realm of being funny.
That would be so infuriating it would move into the realm of being funny.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
Yeah, but Atlanta needed to move the money so they could trade for that young controllable starter
Yeah, but Atlanta needed to move the money so they could trade for that young controllable starter
More realistically, they had to move that salary to be able to afford Matt Adams.
They had to get permission to add his salary, and the conditions of that permission were most likely that they would clear Adams' salary (or the equivalent) once Freeman was healthy. Since nobody wanted Adams, they had to move Garcia's money.
Russ2dollas
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I don't think it's fair to bang on them for moving that salary to get a starter and not getting a starter.
Everyone is saying don't overpay for a starter. We all have different definitions of what overpay is. They cleared the room to add Gray. Just b/c it's there doesn't mean they now have to get Gray. That's the attitude that gets you to overpay. Maybe they have the option to take on a bad salary for a year to get a good young player.
Everyone is saying don't overpay for a starter. We all have different definitions of what overpay is. They cleared the room to add Gray. Just b/c it's there doesn't mean they now have to get Gray. That's the attitude that gets you to overpay. Maybe they have the option to take on a bad salary for a year to get a good young player.
Southcack77
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That's a stretch, I think. They could move Adams easily if they weren't concerned with the return and they likely could get something small for him anyway. If it was a financial decision it was probably a conscious choice to bring back Adams next year rather than keep an expiring contract.
Southcack77
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I don't think it necessarily has to be true that they traded Garcia to clear acquisition room. He's an expiring contract with some value. It would make sense to trade him regardless of other deals.
While there has been lots of suspicion cast towards the Front Office making dumb decisions, they've not actually done anything real dumb (yet).
At what point does anyone believe he hasn't been in "seller territory" since the day most of the vets (particularly the short-term ones) were acquired. If ANYTHING of value was being offered for Dat Dude, Dickey, Markakis, or even Kemp or Adams they'd be gone too - and apparently the only people that don't understand that frequent this message board. Since nothing's been offered, they're all still Braves. Chances are that's still going to be the case Monday as well. It's pretty comical to read the back-and-forth here at times - some continuing to beat the "sell and keep rebuilding" drum in one thread while continuing to point out that there's nothing of value to sell outside of Freeman, Inciarte, Teheran, and Folty in another. You guys continue to point out that these vets aren't good enough to get a postseason start on a contending team, and rarely does anyone disagree with you. Of course, Garcia is obviously better than Aaron Blair, so why trade him for someone who won't sniff our Top 30 prospects? Does anyone really want to watch the games for the next two months if Phillips and Dickey are traded for someone else's #28 prospects (who will end up being released because of the depth already in our system) and Jace and Blair take their places to keep from starting service-time clocks? I'll go out on a limb and make one of those tough predictions like you did about our OF corners - if that's the case, the attendance numbers will follow the win-loss %.
As for predictions about the corners being bad -
1.) Was that really hard? And 2.) How many people ever disagreed with that "prediction"?
Just a feeling, but I'm willing to bet you won't find many posts where someone thought Kemp or Markakis were going to be much more than they are - and were serious about it, at least. Markakis is what he is, and has been pretty much since the day he was signed. Kemp was brought in as part of a bad contract swap AND to hopefully be a right-handed power threat behind Freeman so that everyone wouldn't pitch around him. He's been exactly that until recently when his power disappeared.
The funny thing about all of that is I came up with it without a calculator and didn't have to consult FanGraphs or a spreadsheet.
Sure, they could try to do that, but I would imagine it will be difficult. I would guess the reason the Braves weren't able to get someone better is because there's not a team out there willing to pay none of Garcia's contract in exchange for a better prospect.
Again, we actually did send some money to Minnesota in the deal. People keep acting like the deal was atypical in the sense that the Braves actually tried to save some money, but they actually paid more of Garcia's remaining contract than you usually see in deals, which is exactly 0% of the salary paid for by the selling team.
We have no idea if we were trying to save money for some reason. It is just as likely that we simply couldn't find a team willing to give us a better return if we paid all of the salary. The dude is making like $4 million the rest of the way, it's not a lot of money no matter what.
And here's something else you've made up out of whole cloth. But keep on keeping on.
Correct.
Not THETHE expectations!