Official 2022 Offseason Moves Thread

[50PoundHead]

My understanding is if either the Braves or Duval reject the option, Duval goes to Arbitration unless the Braves release him.

I get the logic as Duvall doesn't have the service time to qualify for FA, but it just seems odd--at least to me--that it would play out that way. At any rate, I think Duvall will not exercise his option. I don't know how franchises value him, but I'm guessing--and it's just a guess--that in his own mind he's a $10 MM AAV guy. I don't know if he'd get that in arbitration, but he'd probably get more than $7 MM.

 

[thewupk]

You work with the assets in your portfolio.

Most important thing is to shore up the offense/bench. That was our secret sauce after the deadline.

Maybe we need a fifth starter to get to 100 wins but we can get to the playoffs easily with 2 aces and 1 2/3 pitcher with another back end guy like Ynoa along with massive talent up the rear.

The goal isn't winning divisions anymore. Build your team like you assume you'll be in the playoffs.

I don't think there is anything wrong with that strategy. But I would be a little surprised if AA doesn't get another vet arm to take Smyly's spot.

 

[OcalaBrave]

I would assume First Order of Business, perhaps announced at the parade, would be Freddie's extension. I just can't fathom telling your foundation cornerstone goodbye immediately after winning the World Series. The Braves could pretty easily give him a huge number and just front load it so it gets smaller as Albies and Acuna get bigger.

Second Order of Business should be voiding Ozuna's contract on the basis of a breach of the morals clause.

Third Order of Business could be Duval. He seems like he fits our needs pretty well. He can handle CF if Pache can't handle the bat again. If Pache sticks, he can settle in as a LF opposite Acuna or if we've upgraded LF, he can be a 4th OF/DH. If that's an arbitration 1 year deal for the $9 million projected by MLBtraderumors, it seems worth the price.

Fourth Order of Business should be cleaning up the 40 man roster. There are a lot of arbitration eligible guys that shouldn't be brought back. In addition, we need to find out if there is ANY market for Touki and Newk. I have both as being out of options at this point. Definitely check me on that one. Both had shots at the rotation. Both have had shots at the pen. I'd hat to lose talented arms for nothing, but results matter. Need to find them new homes and hope to win the lottery on a lower level prospect coming back.

Then you can go out and figure out who wants to play for a World Series title every year for the next 4 years of their contract and might be willing to take a little less for the opportunity. Specifically targeting a pen piece, a solid back-up IF and a DH/LF type.

I wouldn't spend a dime on the starters.

I don't think we have the goods for a blockbuster trade. They are fun to discuss, but there are reasons we aren't clamoring to hang onto our higher rated prospects. I remember when we dealt Wainwright to the Cards. Whatever Board I was on at the time - melted down... rightfully so.

 

[PawPawMaxwell]

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Thoughts on Greinke replacing Smyly as long as the money is right?

Greinke has had long time interest in the Braves due to family issues. If money is right would seem to me there would be some mutual interest.

 

[MadduxFanII]

Morton
Fried
Anderson
Soroka
Ynoa
Wright
Strider
Elder
Davidson
Muller
Tarnok
Shuster

Why do we need to spend more than 5M on a starting pitcher again?

You can't just put a bunch of names on a list and say "Eureka! Depth!" Soroka is coming off multiple catastrophic injuries, Ynoa was terrible after coming back from his own injury, Wright has had one good moment in his entire big league career and it happened to come in the World Series, Strider is quite probably a reliever, Davidson's upside is a pretty decent fifth starter, Muller is just a shrug and Tarnok and Shuster are not even in the picture right now. Even the three guys at the top of the list -- Morton has a broken leg and Fried and Anderson both missed time this past year.

The price has to be right, and no, it doesn't make sense for us to spend big on a top-flight pitcher. But it's pretty darn rare for a team to get to July and say, "Drat, we have too much pitching. What a pain in the ass that is." Finding some moderately priced veteran to fill the fourth spot in the rotation makes a lot of sense.

 

[thethe]

I don't think there is anything wrong with that strategy. But I would be a little surprised if AA doesn't get another vet arm to take Smyly's spot.

I just don't see the need.

Ynoa should be at worst a back end guy.

I think we can find another back end guy out of the collection of arms I listed. Giving them the experience as well as early as possible will have a positive impact down the road for roster construction.

 

[PawPawMaxwell]

Morton
Fried
Anderson
Soroka
Ynoa
Wright
Strider
Elder
Davidson
Muller
Tarnok
Shuster

Why do we need to spend more than 5M on a starting pitcher again?

I would look at this as more of a Morton, Fried , Anderson and lots of question marks (or significant trade chips).

 

[thethe]

I would look at this as more of a Morton, Fried , Anderson and lots of question marks (or significant trade chips).

Thats fair - I get it.

I look at it as one of those guys (most likely Soroka or Stider) becomes a top half of rotation pitcher.

 

[OcalaBrave]

I'm not trying to disparage the guy, but I'd want an in depth psych eval on Greinke first. There are so many young arms in that room, I want any vet to be Charlie Morton like in the head when it comes to his craft. No bad habits to be adopted by the kids.

I'm also thinking there are so many internal options it will take us until close to July to make sure none of them can work. Something like a Greinke will be available then if necessary.

 

[thethe]

I'm not trying to disparage the guy, but I'd want an in depth psych eval on Greinke first. There are so many young arms in that room, I want any vet to be Charlie Morton like in the head when it comes to his craft. No bad habits to be adopted by the kids.

I'm also thinking there are so many internal options it will take us until close to July to make sure none of them can work. Something like a Greinke will be available then if necessary.

Exactly this.

And - If we need better than a middle of the rotation starter then something else went wrong. With the top 3 of the rotations as stands we are only looking at a pitcher to help with the dog days of summer and not to increase our chances to win a title.

 

[OcalaBrave]

I would look at this as more of a Morton, Fried , Anderson and lots of question marks (or significant trade chips).

If you use the tared chips he makes sense. Has AA traded a legit prospect yet? His preference seems to be to let them play their way to ATL or wither on the vine and sell when their value is pretty much gone.

 

[PawPawMaxwell]

I'm not trying to disparage the guy, but I'd want an in depth psych eval on Greinke first. There are so many young arms in that room, I want any vet to be Charlie Morton like in the head when it comes to his craft. No bad habits to be adopted by the kids.

I'm also thinking there are so many internal options it will take us until close to July to make sure none of them can work. Something like a Greinke will be available then if necessary.

IIRC all the research and evals were done years ago and final result was a tremendous contract that paid dividends to his succeeding teams. The family issue to my understanding is his family lives in FL and his wife is afraid to fly.

 

[thethe]

If you use the tared chips he makes sense. Has AA traded a legit prospect yet? His preference seems to be to let them play their way to ATL or wither on the vine and sell when their value is pretty much gone.

For the world series MVP.

 

[PawPawMaxwell]

If you use the tared chips he makes sense. Has AA traded a legit prospect yet? His preference seems to be to let them play their way to ATL or wither on the vine and sell when their value is pretty much gone.

When you really come right down to it, AA is STILL composing his own team without international signings and using the draftees he inherited while still having to field teams in the minors.

 

[CJ9]

If we're going to sign another Smyly type, I'd rather it be someone with upside instead of Greinke. You could at least squint and sell yourself on upside with Smyly - the 2020 velo spike could've been real and he could've been helpful. I just don't see a situation where the guy who struck out 6 per 9 and averaged 89 mph has much upside. He's just a boring innings eater, which has value especially with as many young unproven guys as we have, but it could likely come from a cheaper source than Greinke.

 

[OcalaBrave]

For the world series MVP.

I didn't say he wasn't good at it.

 

[OcalaBrave]

When you really come right down to it, AA is STILL composing his own team without international signings and using the draftees he inherited while still having to field teams in the minors.

Ok. Really good at it.

 

[PawPawMaxwell]

Moving on somewhat. The FA OF market looks kinda thin to me if you discount the 4 of ours. Should there be any interest in Conforto, Chris Taylor or Avisail Garcis? Garcis doesnt ring my bell but he is better than the average FA OFer.

 

[Nerfherders]

Duvall will get paid. There aren't alot of players who can play CF and lead their league in HR and RBI.

 

[Hudson2]

Greinke has had long time interest in the Braves due to family issues. If money is right would seem to me there would be some mutual interest.

I almost said Greinke during the NLCS. He would be the type of veteran pitcher I could see us going after.