Official 2022 Offseason Moves Thread

[Heyward]

I'd be a little surprised at Verlander but wouldnt hate that move. Need to address the offensive moves first though.

 

[clvclv]

We have Max for 3 more years.

Think he meant Scherzer.

 

[Heyward]

Think he meant Scherzer.

Pretty sure it's Fried since hes talking about Swanson but it's all good either way.

 

[Enscheff]

"I have Verlander to the Braves as of right now." -Trevor Plouffe

And why would anyone put any stock into what this guy says?

 

[Mad Dog Murph]

And why would anyone put any stock into what this guy says?

Because he has one of those fancy check marks next to his name on Twitter. Check mark = reliable

 

[DirkPiggler]

Because he has one of those fancy check marks next to his name on Twitter. Check mark = reliable

He did call Braves over Astros in six games back in March.

Maybe he’s Nostradamus.

 

[thewupk]

He did call Braves over Astros in six games back in March.

Maybe he’s Nostradamus.

That's the reason and it's more tongue in cheek than anything

 

[Metaphysicist]

It's strange how that tidbit of information about Freeman rejecting that deal was thrown into the end of the article like it was known already. Almost makes me feel like it was made up, since that alone should be headline worthy.

It's Bob Nightengale so it is almost certainly wrong.

 

[Carp]

Anyone else think it's hilarious that Scott Boras thinks we got Joc, Soler, and Duvall because their teams were tanking? I mean, they were all three having such GREAT years and all. Pretty much the top trade targets available. *rolls eyes*

Scott Boras is like an internet troll at this point. I hope his toe finds the corner of his bed every night.

 

[Carp]

Elite pitchers seems to be ageing well lately.

Top 10 fWAR for pitchers in 2018

Degrom
Scherzer
Verlander
Cole
Bauer
Nola
Corbin
Kluber
Severino
Carasco


So the injury risk is there but how do weight that against hitters that lose bat speed as they age?

Like half of those pitchers got injured this year or have had serious injuries recently.

 

[Carp]

At least so far, the competition for CF seems to be pretty stiff. Lots of teams in on Marte, and the price for Reynolds is obviously sky high.

If some of the justification for letting Freeman walk is that extra cash could go towards CF, that bit of justification is probably evaporating. The best play might end up being a guy like Duvall, Joc and/or Heredia as placeholders in CF, and splurging on Freeman.

So much left to play out before we can really say what the smartest thing to do with Freeman is.

Acuna and Pache (maybe Waters) seem like the easiest path for us to cover CF. Of course we could be hesitant to play him CF again given his injury.

 

[Carp]

Remember when I said that Riley would be a very good player despite you consistently saying he was garbage?
Remember when I said Fried would be an Ace and you suggested he should be traded for a scrub?
Remember when I said that TDA would be a great addition when he was first acquired and you laughed?
Remember when I said I was shocked that people didn't think our deadline deals would have more of an impact because they were actual major leagues?

ALWAYS wrong

Too his credit, you think every heralded prospect is the next star of the MLB. When. You hype up every single player, of course you're going to have some hits.

Riley wouldn't be a major league player if he didn't drastically change his approach last year. His approach in the minors and his rookie season would have him hitting .200 or worse with an OBP hovering around .250, which is basically how he hit after his hit start. And there's zero way you could have predicted 2-3 years ago that he would have totally changed his approach.

 

[Carp]

I would say, for those worrying about our window, we will absolutely develop more players over the next 2-3 years to replace the guys leaving. Given our propensity for drafting pitching, there is a solid chance at least one of Muller, Davidson, Strider, Cusick, Shuster, Tarnok, etc. become an above average major league starter.

And of course, payroll appears to be increasing for us, so that gives us a better ability to retain guys/bring in quality players to replace the ones leaving.

 

[thethe]

Too his credit, you think every heralded prospect is the next star of the MLB. When. You hype up every single player, of course you're going to have some hits.

Riley wouldn't be a major league player if he didn't drastically change his approach last year. His approach in the minors and his rookie season would have him hitting .200 or worse with an OBP hovering around .250, which is basically how he hit after his hit start. And there's zero way you could have predicted 2-3 years ago that he would have totally changed his approach.

Tell me who in the last 5 years during the same time it was suggested to trade fried plus for maybe odorizzi?

I said Riley IMPROVED each time he saw the league because he made adjustments so yes I did believe that Riley would make adjustments at the mlb level.


I understand you’re still hurt about the nursing home conspiracy theory in New York. It’s ok man. That was a long time ago.

 

[NYCBrave]

I would say, for those worrying about our window, we will absolutely develop more players over the next 2-3 years to replace the guys leaving. Given our propensity for drafting pitching, there is a solid chance at least one of Muller, Davidson, Strider, Cusick, Shuster, Tarnok, etc. become an above average major league starter.

And of course, payroll appears to be increasing for us, so that gives us a better ability to retain guys/bring in quality players to replace the ones leaving.

And unlike our division rivals the Mets, Phillies and Nationals, we actually appear able to develop our top prospects into major league pieces.

 

[ixiXSolidXixi]

And unlike our division rivals the Mets, Phillies and Nationals, we actually appear able to develop our top prospects into major league pieces.

Yes but Pache need more playing time and over here people want Reynolds and Marte. We need to give the opportunities to our players. They are going to struggle but every single rookie always need to do adjustments to develop. Wright is another that I feel he need a full season no 1-2 games and send him back to the minors.

 

[thethe]

Yes but Pache need more playing time and over here people want Reynolds and Marte. We need to give the opportunities to our players. They are going to struggle but every single rookie always need to do adjustments to develop. Wright is another that I feel he need a full season no 1-2 games and send him back to the minors.

Wright should absolutely open the season as our fifth starter.

 

[The Tariff King]

I don't know if Pache will ever be average offensively.

Remember when Riley was one of the worst hitters in baseball. Then he became very good.

Then this past season it was Pache.

 

[Carp]

Tell me who in the last 5 years during the same time it was suggested to trade fried plus for maybe odorizzi?

I said Riley IMPROVED each time he saw the league because he made adjustments so yes I did believe that Riley would make adjustments at the mlb level.


I understand you’re still hurt about the nursing home conspiracy theory in New York. It’s ok man. That was a long time ago.

To say Riley "made adjustments" is the understatement of the century. He completely changed his approach. He went from a free swinger with poor plate discipline who had maybe the worst contact rate in the majors, to a selective hitter with good contact rates in the majors this year.

To act like you saw this coming is laughable. Riley is truly a unicorn. As Enscheff said awhile back, it would be tough to find a similar player in baseball history that was able to make those adjustments, particularly in such a little amount of time.

 

[bravesguy]

I don't know if Pache will ever be average offensively.

Remember when Riley was one of the worst hitters in baseball. Then he became very good.

Then this past season it was Pache.

They are not at all the same hitters but Riley gives me hope in Pache. It is hard to forget Pache's MLB performance this year, in the same light as it was hard to forget Riley's 2nd half performance of 2019.

Pache has obviously been working on some changes based on his results at AAA this year. The last 2 months were actually very encouraging (for an exceptional defensive player). It took Riley over a year and 2 off seasons to correct his major flaws, how long will it take Pache. I think he just experienced year 1 and now offseason 1 is coming up. Lets see if he can make the strides Riley made over the past year. If so and his August / Sep AAA stats are who he really is, then I look forward to him taking over CF for the 2022 World Champion Atlanta Braves.