Official 2022 Offseason Moves Thread

Hulavol said:
That guy was a total ****tard... Remember him saying that the reason nobody was posting on the board anymore was because everyone was following the games on Twitter and then checking back on the scout board to read his insights ... what a total POS
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He banned me for being racist....can you believe that
 
Hulavol said:
That guy was a total ****tard... Remember him saying that the reason nobody was posting on the board anymore was because everyone was following the games on Twitter and then checking back on the scout board to read his insights ... what a total POS
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Toward the end I jumped before I was pushed. I called him a thin skinned, retarded, ****goblin. That seemed to upset him.
 
sturg33 said:
Does that board still exist?
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Probably. I imagine you and Shanks would get along well as you swap stories of imagined grandeur in your professional lives. He can talk about all his supposed connections, and you can talk about all the people who supposedly work for you.

You should move over there and get traffic flowing again.
 
Enscheff said:
Really? Who quit after he was traded?

That guy was a complete clown who thought he was a bigger deal than he was.
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I dont think anyone quit but I dont doubt a scout said it to him. His sources were legit at the time. I think for him getting to meet and interview the prospects he took the conversation about them too personally.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I dont think anyone quit but I dont doubt a scout said it to him. His sources were legit at the time. I think for him getting to meet and interview the prospects he took the conversation about them too personally.
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Speaking to Kris Medlen was a cool thing.
 
Enscheff said:
Probably. I imagine you and Shanks would get along well as you swap stories of imagined grandeur in your professional lives. He can talk about all his supposed connections, and you can talk about all the people who supposedly work for you.

You should move over there and get traffic flowing again.
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Your insecurities are really quite amusing
 
I know children everywhere in Atlanta, now unhappy adults, rue the day were robbed of seeing Elvis Andrus in his prone years every day. That would really have been something g to tell your grandchildren about.
 
Enscheff said:
That's roughly a 50 (Salty), a 50/55 (Andrus, depending on when you want to take the snapshot), a 50 (Harrison), and another 45/50 (Feliz, depending on when you take the snapshot).

Considering the fact all prospect publications have docked pitching prospects by close to a full grade in the last 5ish years due to a better understanding of pitcher volatility, the modern day FVs for those prospects would likely be:

Salty: 50
Andrus: 50/55
Harrison: 40/45
Feliz: 40/45

Coincidentally, that's almost exactly the price we heard 2 years of Olson will cost. So no, I don't think it was some dramatic overpay in terms of prospect capital compared to modern day prospect valuations.

I can't disagree that they needed pitching, and I am 100% on board with getting Kotchman as the centerpiece a year later was horrible.
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The issue i have with your method is it's agnostic of other factors.

In 2008 Andrus was 19 and Feliz was 19. They were young.

The issue I have with the trade was the same back then, we weren't that good of a team. I know we were "only" 5 games back or something. But the team was a mess. Andruw was falling apart, aside from Chipped the team was a bunch of average to above average hitters who didn't play much defense. At least in the infield. Chipper was never a stellar defender by this point in his career it was certainly true. Renteria was an offensive first Shortstop, Kelly Johnson wasn't great defensively, that's not great. Coupled with out pitching staff which was Smoltz, Hudson and a slew of bums.

Just to reiterate guys who started for us that year. Chuck James, Buddy Carlyle, Kyle Davies, Jo Jo Reyes, Lance Cormier, Mark Redmon, Jeff Bennett, Anthony Lerew, The only ones of those who gave us a positive value were James and Bennett. That says something bad.

And when we made that trade I wasn't really pissed at the rumored trade which was Harrison, Salty and Andrus, it was the inclusion of Feliz that was a dagger.

Can you imagine if instead of that trade we held those pieces and rolled into 2008 looking to make other deals. Salty had to go, because of McCann, but imagine a different world where instead of blowing the budget on Tex we tinker with a C/1B platoon while looking to trade Salty, or just straight up trade him for someone who can play 1B but isn't an elite talent.

Imagine a 2009 Atlanta Braves team with Andrus instead of Escobar, a solid kid like Harrison so we don't have to sign either Lowe or Kawakami, and Feliz added to that deadly bullpen with Soriano, Gonzalez, Moylan, Medlen, and O'Flaherty.

Or again just used those pieces more wisely in a trade. The issue was 2 fold for me. First there was no way Teixeira was sticking around like fools like Shanks were saying. Second this was a hubris trade by Scheurholz who wanted to reclaim glory, but seemingly forgot that this team wasn't that good the year before, with a team that was producing better. 2 of our 3 best players from the year before (McCann and Andruw) were having bad years. What we gained from better years at 2B, SS, RF and LF was minimal to the big losses in CF, C, and 1B Of course Tex would solve one of those issues, but that was it. 06 rotation was a mess and largely rolled into 07 with the same rotation. Didn't make any moves just kept rolling with James, Davies, etc.

THe Braves management of that era was so full of themselves, they shot the Franchise in the foot. The saving grace was that Heyward, Freeman, and Hanson were coming along
 
zito hits one of my points on the Teixeira deal and it wasn't isolated to that particular deal. Braves had a deep minor league system then and it would always seem (probably just my impression and nothing else) is that Schuerholz would always buckle and throw in another prospect at the end to get the deal done. It never came back to bite the team in a big way, but I always found myself asking "Why?"

It wasn't a great deal and zito really gets to the heart of why it wasn't a good deal, which was the team wasn't that good mostly due to the terrible pitching depth. But there have been worse deals. I think the Pirates deal for Archer far outpaces the Teixeira deal in terms of wretchedness.
 
zitothebrave said:
The issue i have with your method is it's agnostic of other factors.

In 2008 Andrus was 19 and Feliz was 19. They were young.

The issue I have with the trade was the same back then, we weren't that good of a team. I know we were "only" 5 games back or something. But the team was a mess. Andruw was falling apart, aside from Chipped the team was a bunch of average to above average hitters who didn't play much defense. At least in the infield. Chipper was never a stellar defender by this point in his career it was certainly true. Renteria was an offensive first Shortstop, Kelly Johnson wasn't great defensively, that's not great. Coupled with out pitching staff which was Smoltz, Hudson and a slew of bums.

Just to reiterate guys who started for us that year. Chuck James, Buddy Carlyle, Kyle Davies, Jo Jo Reyes, Lance Cormier, Mark Redmon, Jeff Bennett, Anthony Lerew, The only ones of those who gave us a positive value were James and Bennett. That says something bad.

And when we made that trade I wasn't really pissed at the rumored trade which was Harrison, Salty and Andrus, it was the inclusion of Feliz that was a dagger.

Can you imagine if instead of that trade we held those pieces and rolled into 2008 looking to make other deals. Salty had to go, because of McCann, but imagine a different world where instead of blowing the budget on Tex we tinker with a C/1B platoon while looking to trade Salty, or just straight up trade him for someone who can play 1B but isn't an elite talent.

Imagine a 2009 Atlanta Braves team with Andrus instead of Escobar, a solid kid like Harrison so we don't have to sign either Lowe or Kawakami, and Feliz added to that deadly bullpen with Soriano, Gonzalez, Moylan, Medlen, and O'Flaherty.

Or again just used those pieces more wisely in a trade. The issue was 2 fold for me. First there was no way Teixeira was sticking around like fools like Shanks were saying. Second this was a hubris trade by Scheurholz who wanted to reclaim glory, but seemingly forgot that this team wasn't that good the year before, with a team that was producing better. 2 of our 3 best players from the year before (McCann and Andruw) were having bad years. What we gained from better years at 2B, SS, RF and LF was minimal to the big losses in CF, C, and 1B Of course Tex would solve one of those issues, but that was it. 06 rotation was a mess and largely rolled into 07 with the same rotation. Didn't make any moves just kept rolling with James, Davies, etc.

THe Braves management of that era was so full of themselves, they shot the Franchise in the foot. The saving grace was that Heyward, Freeman, and Hanson were coming along
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Imagine a 2022 Atlanta Braves team with Freeman instead of Freeman's "replacement", a skinny Ozuna at DH, Pache in CF hitting .290/.360/.430 while stealing 28 bases and winning a Gold Glove, Wright finally realizing his potential, and a fully healthy Soroka joining the rotation after the All-Star break.

Has about the same chance of happening as all that stuff you mentioned.

For God's sake, let the Tex deal die already folks - no one has added anything interesting to any discussion about it in years, mainly because there's nothing else interesting to say about it. It has utterly and completely been beaten to death. JS is the worst GM in the history of the franchise for making that deal - all those flags and the first Title the franchise won here don't mean *hit.

Bad trades happen, and Alex is going to make at least one at some point while he's here - I can't wait to see what everyone here is going to say about his with 10+ years of hindsight and an even better understanding of the new metrics and the aging curve for professional athletes at that point.
 
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