bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
yes, I see it.. I see what you did
Official 2022 Offseason Moves Thread
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zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Nats just won the world series, I would build a team around him to try and win now, then blow it up in 2 years. No one can offer enough to replace Soto's value now, he makes too little money for his output. Unless the Angels offer you Trout or the Padres offer you Tatis Jr. or Jays offer Vladdy you're not likely to get value back trading him now. IN another year or 2 you would. But you're not getting close to his value now.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Nats have a REALLY bad team, they'd have to basically go bat**** crazy once the strike ends. I dont think any of those 3 teams would offer them for Soto unless it came with an extension. Nats are in a really tough spot if he's gonna hit free agency. I do agree they wouldnt get full value but if he's not gonna stay. They're just gonna play it out and lose him for nothing if the new CBA has no draft pick compensation going forward?
Nats are in a bad spot. It seems Soto is betting on himself and willing to go year to year to maximize his earnings. More power to him. With that being the case and the Nats likely to be bad in the foreseeable future I suspect Juan gets traded next offseason or at the 2023 trade deadline. Nats should be able to get a pretty good return when he's at 1.5 to 2 years left. I agree that his value right now is likely more than any team would truly want to give up. 1.5 to 2 years will make it more manageable from that perspective.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
I agree 2 years from now/23 deadline is most likely for Soto if things dont change, and he doesnt sign an extension by then. Not sure who would give up the haul for him, but if he's available, Nats would have no shortage of suitors.
Big overall number. AAV is well below the range you would think he would warrant on the open market.
Nats are rebuilding. So even if Soto gets money he doesn’t wanna be on Nationals while they’re rebuilding. Rebuilds are never a guarantee. You never know if it’s 2 years or 5 years.
Yep, and since flags fly forever I'm sure Nats fans are going to love staring at that flag while their team loses 90 games.
bravesfanforlife88
Well-known member
Moving Soto would be the type of move that would accelerate the rebuild dramatically. And honestly, if you are going to strip down, might as well commit and do a full strip down. Trade Strasburg and anyone else you don't see being involved in 4 years or so. Corbin is border line
Also in Soto's case he already won a ring early. He wants that big payday and worry about second ring later. Soto grew up a Braves fan. Bring him home AA.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
If Soto did get traded, cant imagine the cost it would be to get him. Not sure who has the system to pull that off. Dodgers system is rated as the best, and of course they're loaded with money so yeah.. Or you have a team thinking they'd have 2 playoff runs with him before he leaves.
DirkPiggler
Well-known member
Surely there's a pic of a seven year old Soto hanging around the D.R. in a Braves Starter jacket back in 1985.
With the Braves having won the WS last year, I gotta say that I definitely feel satisfied as a fan. So maybe the "flags fly forever" joke you keep running out doesn't have the same punch you think it does.
I didn't know if I would see another title in Atlanta in my lifetime. I accepted the fact that we are a mid market team and the chances of us winning are significantly lower because of that.
So yeah, I gotta say, eff everything else. After the fact, I would absolutely be ok with AA making whatever moves necessary to so I could have that feeling. Nothing can take away how amazing that was last year. If AA told us today he made a deal with the devil to get us that WS win and we would be terrible the next 5-6 years because of that, I would be ok with it.
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I guess that's the difference in opinions. I would much rather have them lose in the playoffs, and then be entertained by a good team for 5-6 years.
I suppose I don't put as much weight on other people accomplishing a goal I know I have 0% impact upon, and I simply want to be entertained as often as possible. I mean, that's why I turn the game on every day. I think that's why I refuse to say "we" (and think it's absurd when others do) when I talk about the teams I am following.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
This is weird to me. the ultimate goal of any competition is to win. Regardless if you contributed to the victory or not, I would think your goal would be for your team to ultimately win over the other teams you care less about. If it is not, then why even be a fan of a team. Just watch all the games and be entertained and not really have an allegiance. I mean, I get your point to an extent. I am not an Alabama football fan that determines how next year will be based on the results of the iron bowl. But the Braves winning the WS was WAY better than them losing to the Astros or Dodgers. I know I didn't have a hand in anyone one of those victories, but it doesn't deminish how it made me feel.
I think I fall somewhere in the middle of you and Carp. No, I don't want a deal with the devil (basically the Marlins) but I am a bit pissed when I reflect back to the amounts of hours I watched the 90's and 00's braves and they only won it all once. I felt we were better than the Yankees on a few of those losses but we will be remembered as second best.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
When I write "we" when referring to the Braves it is simply a means of reducing space and time. I was a Tigers fan for well over 20 years till I moved South. Braves came along for me with TBS so been many years a Braves fan and now I live in Nats territory. I am not a fan. Guess the few years (hopefully) I have left will be devoted to Braves tho I am getting somewhat pissed with the CBA fiasco.
Wonder how much impact the destroyed prospect situation has on Freddie decision from AAs perspective? Seems nothing of value left for meaningful trades and signing FF would deplete cash available.
I have to say that I have been personally doubtful that FF will return since end of season 21.
Wonder how much impact the destroyed prospect situation has on Freddie decision from AAs perspective? Seems nothing of value left for meaningful trades and signing FF would deplete cash available.
I have to say that I have been personally doubtful that FF will return since end of season 21.
I suppose part of that is the championship drought we had. 25 years doesn't seem like that long, considering it's been a lot longer for other teams like the Indians and the Pirates. Still, it has been awhile, and we've had a lot of heartbreak between now and then. I will say, though, now that we did win the WS, I will probably lean closer to your view going forward. We got our WS title, now let's continue to build on this foundation and stretch out our window as long as possible. No need to "go for it" when you just won the title. It also makes the sting of losing Freeman easier if we can't agree to a deal.
Watching Braves baseball improves my life because I am entertained 3 hours per night with quality baseball watching players I am familiar with do incredible things.
Whether they win the WS or not has zero effect on the amount of entertainment I got from the game, probably because I don't suffer a mental breakdown and throw a tantrum when they lose. I appreciate good games, which require good teams.
The team's ultimate goal is to win, obviously, but it isn't my goal because I am not participating. My goal is to be entertained, and I would be equally entertained by a good game regardless of the outcome. The short term endorphin rush wouldn't happen at the end if they lost, but all the same excitement and anticipation was still present.
I thoroughly enjoyed every single game last October, and I want to enjoy those games again this October. When the Braves clinched I sat on the beach with a cigar and an Indio to soak in the endorphins a bit, but October was a great time regardless of the ultimate outcome. No such future October will exist this year if AA had "gone all in" like many blabber on about.
So in short, I want another October full of entertaining games, not another hour riding the high of a WS title...and I certainly don't want to be stuck reminiscing about that hour while watching no baseball this October.
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