Official 2024 Off-Season Thread!

Snell isnt signed because he isnt taking the offer of the highest bidder, not because teams arent interested. Its not crazy considering who his agent is. Its something I think a lot of people could have guessed considering Borass lives in a world where Oliver Perez is comparable to Johan Santana.
 
At this point Snell and Montgomery are hurting themselves by not signing with someone. They won't be ready for opening day, considering the ramp-up time required.
 
Enscheff said:
At this point they are waiting for contenders to suffer injuries, like what just happened with Giolito.
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I have no idea what the Sox’s are doing. Are they in ( sign top pitcher) or still a little away (trade a top pitcher). Not sure they will compound Gino’s injury by signing another expensive player.
 
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I have no idea what the Sox’s are doing. Are they in ( sign top pitcher) or still a little away (trade a top pitcher). Not sure they will compound Gino’s injury by signing another expensive player.
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It probably gives the Red Sox FO an excuse to not sign Monty after Giolito went down, and basically punt the year.
 
Nerfherders said:
At this point Snell and Montgomery are hurting themselves by not signing with someone. They won't be ready for opening day, considering the ramp-up time required.
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I know teams cant collude but I wish they would all just tell them to take a hike and refuse to sign them until next offseason.
 
I dont support anyone, I do however like seeing greedy people fall on their face because of their inflated sense of self worth. When it comes to fringe players and players who arent in positions to cash in big I have no problem with them trying to maximize their earnings. When it comes to players that turn down 100+ million I hope they blow out a limb and have to settle for a fraction of that amount.


When it comes to players salaries I dont look at it as "it doesnt matter its not my money". It is my money. The more they pay the players the more they have to raise prices to accommodate it. We could be going to games for 5$ and buying 1$ hot dogs at games but then we cant pay a player 40 million dollars a year.
 
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I find it impossible to understand why fans choose to side with billionaire team owners trying to keep more profits rather than giving Snell $200M, and then call Snell greedy for trying to get that same $200M the owners are refusing to give him.

Like...why is the millionaire player greedy, but the billionaire owner isn't? Why have we been so conditioned to think the wealthiest guy is somehow always in the right, and anyone who dares attempt to pry wealth for themselves is the greedy jerk?

I guess it's the same reason why the masses are against livable wages, but have no problem with filthy rich executives. The brainwashing has been a complete success.
 
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Enscheff said:
I find it impossible to understand why fans choose to side with billionaire team owners trying to keep more profits rather than giving Snell $200M, and then call Snell greedy for trying to get that same $200M the owners are refusing to give him.

Like...why is the millionaire player greedy, but the billionaire owner isn't? Why have we been so conditioned to think the wealthiest guy is somehow always in the right, and anyone who dares attempt to pry wealth for themselves is the greedy jerk?

I guess it's the same reason why the masses are against livable wages, but have no problem with filthy rich executives. The brainwashing has been a complete success.
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In Cajun’s case, I think it’s clear he’s blaming owners and players for higher ticket prices.
 
Enscheff said:
I find it impossible to understand why fans choose to side with billionaire team owners trying to keep more profits rather than giving Snell $200M, and then call Snell greedy for trying to get that same $200M the owners are refusing to give him.

Like...why is the millionaire player greedy, but the billionaire owner isn't? Why have we been so conditioned to think the wealthiest guy is somehow always in the right, and anyone who dares attempt to pry wealth for themselves is the greedy jerk?

I guess it's the same reason why the masses are against livable wages, but have no problem with filthy rich executives. The brainwashing has been a complete success.
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It's probably more to do with the fact that most understand billionaires and corporations will never willingly sacrifice their own profits. If they want to sign a player at a top of market rate, they aren't going to take it out of profit...it's getting added to ticket and merchandise prices, at least as long as there are enough customers willing to pay the higher rates. There is a better chance of hoping that the player caves in and takes less to keep cost down rather than hoping the team is going to all of a sudden decide it's okay to earn less off their investment.

And of course there's the jealousy factor. Most still don't realize the kind of work pro athletes have to put in to get to their level. The days of Mickey Mantle being able to stay drunk all season and still bang out fifty bombs are long gone. We still have a lot of fans who think the players are solely there because of talent, that they're lucky instead of working their asses off. Regular people can't conceptualize the kind of money that it takes to own a team, but they remember the time they struck out the side in a Babe Ruth game at 15 and think that with a few breaks they could be the ones in Snell's place. It pisses them off that they're working some shít job 40 hours per week while Snell or Montgomery don't do anything but throw a ball every five days in the summer for an eight figure salary, and that they are holding out for a little more on the margins.

The bottom line is...let the market sort it out. When the owners truly can't afford to pay more they will stop increasing salaries. If not, they have no one to blame but themselves, and we shouldn't take a side one way or the other when it's someone else's money.
 
The market has sorted it out. Each has gotten very lucrative offers. They passed. Their holdout tells me they arent confident they can repeat their performance and want a long term deal so they can go Anthony Rendon on the team and be a long term albatross getting paid to suck ass. I dont mind players getting paid a **** ton of money. I just hate these long term guaranteed MLB contracts. Let the players worth the money get paid and the players who sign big contracts actually have to care about their performance beyond how much they can make on the NEXT contract. We need some kind of mechanism where teams can pay a player 50% of their remaining contract but they become a free agent in cases where free agents turn into Melvin.
 
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