Official 2024 Off-Season Thread!

I think AA has one more move up his sleeve to get a good starter. It'll be one with control for more than a year bc next offseason we likely lose 2 starters.
 
If AA liked Kelenic that much to make him the focus of the offseason, he wouldn't have still been tossing around the idea of Grissom as a platoon partner unless he's intent on including Grissom in a trade.
 
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JK could be moved for a pitcher we aren’t talking about by in large paying for an asset we didn’t have-but needed to get another deal done
 
bravesnumberone said:
If AA liked Kelenic that much to make him the focus of the offseason, he wouldn't have still been tossing around the idea of Grissom as a platoon partner unless he's intent on including Grissom in a trade.
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It's very possible teams do not assign much value to Grissom. If that's the case why not use him as a utility man.
 
bravesnumberone said:
If AA liked Kelenic that much to make him the focus of the offseason, he wouldn't have still been tossing around the idea of Grissom as a platoon partner unless he's intent on including Grissom in a trade.
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Or the simplest reason of all: he wanted K badly, but didn’t want it to look like he wanted K badly.

And personally, I like the idea of keeping Grissom for a backup who can play all over the place - because I think he can hit the baseball a lot better than most backup players. Is he gonna be Odarp?
No, most probably not. But he is a great insurance piece for 162.

I think AA is done, and should be done- other than moving Stassi along.
 
Hulavol said:
Or the simplest reason of all: he wanted K badly, but didn’t want it to look like he wanted K badly.

And personally, I like the idea of keeping Grissom for a backup who can play all over the place - because I think he can hit the baseball a lot better than most backup players. Is he gonna be Odarp?
No, most probably not. But he is a great insurance piece for 162.

I think AA is done, and should be done- other than moving Stassi along.
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Why should he be done? He hasnt acquired a starter. You mean he was ready to spend big on Nola and then just stop wanting a big starter? Doesnt make sense. I’d bet another SP is coming and it should.
 
This is not a manager that plays guys all over, though. At best right now, he's the guy who'll be used 30% of the time or less in a LF platoon.
 
Hudson2 said:
Why should he be done? He hasnt acquired a starter. You mean he was ready to spend big on Nola and then just stop wanting a big starter? Doesnt make sense. I’d bet another SP is coming and it should.
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I’m not real sure he was really willing to spend all that big on Nola. I don’t really buy that.

And, there’s just not a SP out there that I think he can get without giving up too many of our few resources.
We need one for October for sure (unless Waldrep or AJSS pan out) - but we can do that in August after we see what we got internally. I don’t think trading for Glas is a good idea, and Cease certainly isn’t worth what the Sox are asking. Just my .02-
We are better than last year - by a good bit already - and should coast into the playoffs- so no need to rush and make a big fat mistake and accidentally trade Avery or Glavine for a number three. I say we hold until August.

Go get Blake Snell or Cole, and I’ll change my tune!
 
Hulavol said:
I’m not real sure he was really willing to spend all that big on Nola. I don’t really buy that.

And, there’s just not a SP out there that I think he can get without giving up too many of our few resources.
We need one for October for sure (unless Waldrep or AJSS pan out) - but we can do that in August after we see what we got internally. I don’t think trading for Glas is a good idea, and Cease certainly isn’t worth what the Sox are asking. Just my .02-
We are better than last year - by a good bit already - and should coast into the playoffs- so no need to rush and make a big fat mistake and accidentally trade Avery or Glavine for a number three. I say we hold until August.

Go get Blake Snell or Cole, and I’ll change my tune!
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He never denied Nola or going after a SP just an offensive piece besides Kelenic. If he didnt go after Nola he would have spoke up and said something.
 
Jaw said:
Moving Lopez made room for some of the salary obligations taken on to get Kelenic, in the form of another utility player who will likely also play very little.

It seems like Lopez and the roster purge in general were all about making space to buy a useful piece of two by accepting dead weight with them. Either there is another Kelenic type of deal coming, or AA liked Kelenic enough to justify A LOT of wheeling and dealing to make him the focus of the off-season.
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All of that could have been done without moving Lopez.
 
Carp said:
All of that could have been done without moving Lopez.
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Call me crazy but I get the feeling Lopez could be reacquired for next to nothing if AA wants him back that badly lol. He seemed to just be a throw in for that trade, not a desirable piece especially at $4 million.
 
Jaw said:
Moving Lopez made room for some of the salary obligations taken on to get Kelenic, in the form of another utility player who will likely also play very little.

It seems like Lopez and the roster purge in general were all about making space to buy a useful piece of two by accepting dead weight with them. Either there is another Kelenic type of deal coming, or AA liked Kelenic enough to justify A LOT of wheeling and dealing to make him the focus of the off-season.
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I go in a different direction on Lopez. They don't get Bummer without including Lopez in that deal, so I don't think salary considerations had much to do with that. It gave them more room to take on White in the Kelenic deal, but he was out the door anyway and the deal with the Angels brought back Lopez' replacement at a cost of an additional $2 MM to $2.5 MM (and that's not including the burden that accompanies Stassi).

I just think the analytics team zeroed in on Bummer and Kelenic as reasonable, relatively low-cost options. Might work, but have to remember the same analytics team thought Lucas Luetge was going to be a contributor in 2023.

I have no idea what looms next. Free agent pitching market has barely moved so there are opportunities there.
 
Hudson2 said:
Why should he be done? He hasnt acquired a starter. You mean he was ready to spend big on Nola and then just stop wanting a big starter? Doesnt make sense. I’d bet another SP is coming and it should.
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But does it even matter if he acquires a starter or not? This team as currently constructed should steamroll through the regular season again. It's not like acquiring an SP will be the different between making the playoffs or not, the team is already listed as having 90% odds. Could always re-assess the needs at the trade deadline and acquire an SP as needed.
 
bravesnumberone said:
If AA liked Kelenic that much to make him the focus of the offseason, he wouldn't have still been tossing around the idea of Grissom as a platoon partner unless he's intent on including Grissom in a trade.
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There are days I think that Grissom is the smokescreen of all smokescreens. He went from the "answer" at SS to being a regular in Gwinnett. Now he's "so athletic that moving him to the outfield will be a seamless transition." I don't know if that's just smoke or if O'Brien and Bowman just can't resist taking the bait.
 
NYCBrave said:
But does it even matter if he acquires a starter or not? This team as currently constructed should steamroll through the regular season again. It's not like acquiring an SP will be the different between making the playoffs or not, the team is already listed as having 90% odds. Could always re-assess the needs at the trade deadline and acquire an SP as needed.
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I think it matters for the playoffs.
 
NYCBrave said:
But does it even matter if he acquires a starter or not? This team as currently constructed should steamroll through the regular season again. It's not like acquiring an SP will be the different between making the playoffs or not, the team is already listed as having 90% odds. Could always re-assess the needs at the trade deadline and acquire an SP as needed.
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We need someone for the playoffs. Yeah, we'd win 95-97+ in the regular season but the playoffs are what we're aiming for. We cannot and i repeat CANNOT have Elder start a playoff game again. It's absolutely malpractice if AA doesnt add another starter.
 
NYCBrave said:
But does it even matter if he acquires a starter or not? This team as currently constructed should steamroll through the regular season again. It's not like acquiring an SP will be the different between making the playoffs or not, the team is already listed as having 90% odds. Could always re-assess the needs at the trade deadline and acquire an SP as needed.
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Yeah we will win in the regular season but the playoffs is what matters and Fried had health issues last year and Morton is 40 and didnt pitch a playoff game. So yeah we need a SP and id rather get one now than pay the premium at the deadline.
 
Nerfherders said:
The right play for an SP is for '25, if that's now or next season. Better now when we aren't as desperate.
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I think someone on a 2 year deal would be okay for this year. Then make that big splash next year. AA may be waiting for the SP market to start cooking before he does anything. Ohtani's decision basically holding up the market, b/c alot of teams will use that money on other guys.
 
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