Official Fire Fredi Thread

A good manager won't make this team legitimately compete, but a bad one will make it a lot more difficult for a good team to legitimately compete. Fredi will be here when the talent is supposed to pour in, and he won't make it pretty.

How anyone can argue that he isn't terrible baffles me.
 
I have tolerated Fredi for the short haul he has had the team thinking he is still a bit green, etc... But he really is NOT an asset to the club. My biggest fear is we get good again, and he reaps the benefits and is still here to drive the team into the ground for another September to remember. Basically what Julio3000 said, just a lot less eloquent.
 
I don't know. I mean, I listened to a majority of the board call Bobby Cox retarded for years. And I do mean years. So is he a hall of famer by acclamation or is he retarded? Or both?

Is Fredi retarded? Board says yes. I don't think we have a lot of credibility.

I would like to give Jace the 2B job and see what we have, bench EY, use our highest OBP guy at leadoff and use the bullpen less, which I believe is a function of going more innings and warming up/pitching less days.

Fredi has done one (EY), sort of drags his feet on the leadoff thing (cause he really wants one of his speed guys to discover how to get on base), apparently disagrees with what we all see on Jace, and follows ML convention on the relief question. He might get there yet. I was always less patient than Bobby, and occasionally Bobby was right.

I don't think the front office sees him as a problem. They see player performance as the problem. They're probably right.
 
I liked the KJ versus a struggling Gilmartin matchup last night. That was probably the key managerial decision last. What Fredi did was not obviously stupid, but I thought it was the wrong move.
 
And just a little food for thought...

Assuming everyone wants the rebuild to eventually be successful and you think Fredi IS the only problem, is he not EXACTLY the guy we all should want in place to keep a bad team from winning more games? The more losses piled up this season means a higher draft spot in 2016 after all. Since everyone's pretty confident that this is a 70-75 win team AT BEST, shouldn't we hope to take a few more lumps and only be a 65-70 win team in the interest of getting a better player next June?
 
clvclv said:
And just a little food for thought...

Assuming everyone wants the rebuild to eventually be successful and you think Fredi IS the only problem, is he not EXACTLY the guy we all should want in place to keep a bad team from winning more games? The more losses piled up this season means a higher draft spot in 2016 after all. Since everyone's pretty confident that this is a 70-75 win team AT BEST, shouldn't we hope to take a few more lumps and only be a 65-70 win team in the interest of getting a better player next June?
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You're the best.
 
sturg33 said:
clv will defend whatever the Braves do at all costs
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Actually that's far from the truth, but it doesn't make any difference. Not going to waste my time digging up and linking examples but I'm quite sure with a minimal amount of research anyone can easily find that that's not the case.

Whether the two of us often disagree may be beyond question, but I've never been a blind "homer".
 
Use the "brainiac" managing the Mets as an example.
Met fan boards were saying the same thing couple years ago. Until the CF,catcher and Matt Harvey etal showed up -- now , funny thing is -- every move works.

Who do you want Fredi to play? Should he have used Jonny Venters instead of Johnson or PH with Hinske or Reed Johnson... shoot, joe Torre had Bob Watson who is/was the best PH Braves have had in ATL

Players and talent win and lose games.
To paraphrase Bill Lee
"the most important job a manager has is to make sure everyone is on the bus from the hotel"
 
57Brave said:
Use the "brainiac" managing the Mets as an example.

Met fan boards were saying the same thing couple years ago. Until the CF,catcher and Matt Harvey etal showed up -- now , funny thing is -- every move works.

Who do you want Fredi to play? Should he have used Jonny Venters instead of Johnson or PH with Hinske or Reed Johnson... shoot, joe Torre had Bob Watson who is/was the best PH Braves have had in ATL

Players and talent win and lose games.

To paraphrase Bill Lee

"the most important job a manager has is to make sure everyone is on the bus from the hotel"
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Or put the best releiver on the planet in the game when your season is on the line
 
guy made a move almost 2 full seasons ago you disagree with.
Let it go

I'm sure that move was made with McDowell's blessing. Should he be fired too ?
Tosca ? The metrics people that advise the staff on what moves to make and not make ?
 
57Brave said:
guy made a move almost 2 full seasons ago you disagree with.

Let it go

I'm sure that move was made with McDowell's blessing. Should he be fired too ?
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It was a pretty important move wouldn't you say? Fredi is not a good manager. I mean I can't believe there is anybody that would argue against this. He has constantly failed here with the Braves. You can blame the players and yes they deserve a lot of it. They are the ones who actually play. But Fredi does not put his players in the best position to suceed. And it happens time and time again.
 
OK Fredi supporters, name one thing that Fredi does well that gives us an advantage? Of all the managers I have witnessed throughout my lifetime, most you could at least point to a positive. They might be an average or questionable in game manager ala Bobby but ran a good clubhouse and had the support and respect of his players that it allowed them to live up to their potential more often than not, or vice versa. But Fredi really doesn't have any strengths.
 
Millwood1Hitter said:
OK Fredi supporters, name one thing that Fredi does well that gives us an advantage? Of all the managers I have witnessed throughout my lifetime, most you could at least point to a positive. They might be an average or questionable in game manager ala Bobby but ran a good clubhouse and had the support and respect of his players that it allowed them to live up to their potential more often than not, or vice versa. But Fredi really doesn't have any strengths.
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You know the difference in the two of them is that Fredi DOESN'T run the same kind of clubhouse how? He was Bobby's right-hand man and self-picked successor because he was the "Next Bobby" in Bobby's (and Schuerholz') eyes. He displays the exact same "ho-hum" positive demeanor as Bobby did, only discussing the positives about every player every time he's around the media. I don't have any personal experience to draw on, but I'm willing to bet it's a *ell of a challenge to keep a clubhouse from falling apart when 2 of the 3 highest paid players in the organization aren't performing at all and everyone in the clubhouse KNOWS you have no choice but to run them out there every day because of their contracts and doing so puts you in situations where those players' performances ultimately cost the team wins because you can't play the hot guy instead of the black hole that's sucking up salary and ABs.

Look, no one's saying Fredi's a great Manager or even a good Manager (or that we wouldn't like to see someone else running the team on the field), but a large majority of the losses over the last few seasons had a *ell of a lot more to do with the fact that Uggla and B. J./Melvin were utter and complete failures than Fredi's shortage of in-game management skills. The same thing can be said about this year's situation - he's not exactly been given much talent to work with - but from all reports the clubhouse attitudes and air seem to be much-improved now that the earlier mistakes have been removed.
 
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