Official Fire Fredi Thread

I just found this:

By Bill Shanks
Fox Sports South.com

It was perhaps the worst kept secret in the history of Atlanta sports.

Fredi Gonzalez is going to be the next manager of the Atlanta Braves.

And it’s a really good choice.

Everyone knew even before he was fired June 23 by the Florida Marlins that Gonzalez would be a top candidate to replace the legendary Bobby Cox. And when the Marlins did let Gonzalez go, it pretty much became a slam dunk.

In fact, on more than one occasion this summer in the Atlanta clubhouse, when referencing to next season, the term, ‘let Fredi handle it’ was thrown around in jest.

Gonzalez is the easy choice. When you list the positives about Fredi, it makes you know why there really wasn’t another candidate:

- He worked with Atlanta GM Frank Wren in Florida in the 1990s
- He coached with the Braves from 2003 through 2006
- His mentor is Cox
- He’s been a major league manager
- He still lives in Atlanta

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I was actually pretty neutral to the Fredi hiring at the time. I thought it would make for a smooth transition, and I thought he would handle things similiar to Bobby and run the clubhouse the same and build the comradery that was known to exist under the old organization. He did have his issues in Florida, but it was his first chance and everyone needs to learn from their mistakes and he did seem to overachieve with a young team his first year there. I knew his demeador was going to be different than Bobby but I didn't realize how fearless he is. I then, became more a believer after in his press he talked about integrating new things into decesion making like advanced metrics and so forth. I actually thought he would be an ok to slightly above average manager. Boy was I wrong!
 
Hawk said:
I just found this:

By Bill Shanks
Fox Sports South.com

It was perhaps the worst kept secret in the history of Atlanta sports.

Fredi Gonzalez is going to be the next manager of the Atlanta Braves.

And it’s a really good choice.

Everyone knew even before he was fired June 23 by the Florida Marlins that Gonzalez would be a top candidate to replace the legendary Bobby Cox. And when the Marlins did let Gonzalez go, it pretty much became a slam dunk.

In fact, on more than one occasion this summer in the Atlanta clubhouse, when referencing to next season, the term, ‘let Fredi handle it’ was thrown around in jest.

Gonzalez is the easy choice. When you list the positives about Fredi, it makes you know why there really wasn’t another candidate:

- He worked with Atlanta GM Frank Wren in Florida in the 1990s
- He coached with the Braves from 2003 through 2006
- His mentor is Cox
- He’s been a major league manager
- He still lives in Atlanta

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That is even more funny when you consider the spin Bill Shanks throws out now on all things Wren and that Shanks has really been hammering Fredi as much as anyone. Shanks wants Fredi fired badly right now.
 
You guys constantly bitching about Fredi are so clueless it's pathetic. You have nothing more than a superficial understanding of the actual demands, duties and decisions of a professional baseball manager. You also have only a very superficial knowledge of what is at any given time going on with the players on the team. Do you really think you can get an accurate picture from a few stats or online articles? Please tell me you aren't THAT gullible. You have no idea who is nursing minor aches and pains or is a little under the weather or who Roger would like to get a look at against righty or lefty batters. So that's incomplete knowledge of the players seen through a very flawed general understanding of the game and Fredi is the stupid one. Right.

You're like a busload of blind people yelling at the driver which route he should take. If it weren't so sad it'd be funny. Keep on broadcasting to the world how dumb you are. Some of us are amused.
 
clvclv said:
Those aren't the numbers those players put up?

I guess that was Fredi at the plate when Gattis hit .230/.277/.425/.702 in August and .148/.179/.259/.438 last September too?
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The team went into a downward spiral and it got out of control. Nobody cared and it was obvious. That would not have happened under Bobby or any other decent manager.
 
Fredi lost me a couple of years ago when he burned lefty pitcher George Sherrill for one batter -- the OPPOSING PITCHER -- and then promptly took him out afterwards. I believe that was a close game which could've gone into extras.
 
Runnin said:
You guys constantly bitching about Fredi are so clueless it's pathetic. You have nothing more than a superficial understanding of the actual demands, duties and decisions of a professional baseball manager. You also have only a very superficial knowledge of what is at any given time going on with the players on the team. Do you really think you can get an accurate picture from a few stats or online articles? Please tell me you aren't THAT gullible. You have no idea who is nursing minor aches and pains or is a little under the weather or who Roger would like to get a look at against righty or lefty batters. So that's incomplete knowledge of the players seen through a very flawed general understanding of the game and Fredi is the stupid one. Right.

You're like a busload of blind people yelling at the driver which route he should take. If it weren't so sad it'd be funny. Keep on broadcasting to the world how dumb you are. Some of us are amused.
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With this rationale - no fan could ever criticize a manger... And no manager deserves to get fired
 
Kind of off subject without being off subject, but I came across the old Rocky Bridges quote the other day: “There are three things the average man thinks he can do better than anybody else: build a fire, run a hotel and manage a baseball team.” I always get a chuckle out of that one.
 
Hawk said:
I just found this:

By Bill Shanks
Fox Sports South.com

It was perhaps the worst kept secret in the history of Atlanta sports.

Fredi Gonzalez is going to be the next manager of the Atlanta Braves.

And it’s a really good choice.

Everyone knew even before he was fired June 23 by the Florida Marlins that Gonzalez would be a top candidate to replace the legendary Bobby Cox. And when the Marlins did let Gonzalez go, it pretty much became a slam dunk.

In fact, on more than one occasion this summer in the Atlanta clubhouse, when referencing to next season, the term, ‘let Fredi handle it’ was thrown around in jest.

Gonzalez is the easy choice. When you list the positives about Fredi, it makes you know why there really wasn’t another candidate:

- He worked with Atlanta GM Frank Wren in Florida in the 1990s
- He coached with the Braves from 2003 through 2006
- His mentor is Cox
- He’s been a major league manager
- He still lives in Atlanta

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That list has to be made up?

He was a minor league manager in Florida, Wren was Assistant GM, I don't think he spent too much time dealing with minor league managers aside from getting reports and whatnot. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Wow he coached with the Braves for 4 seasons. WOOOOOOOOO

A lot of people had BObby as their mentor. Tim Hudson says Bobby was a mentor, why not make him a player/manager? I could go on but the list is silly long

SInce when was being a major league manager necessarily a good thing? What was Bud Black before getting San Diego? Mike Scioscia? Joe Maddon? Could go on. Everyone needs to start from somewhere, and usually a manager fired from another organization, even one as incompetent as the Marlins isn't the best place to start. Sure you find some great ones, Cox was fired by the Braves, Torre was fired by the Mets, Braves and Cardinals before finding his fit. But in general, most great managers aren't fired, unless they're done so prematurely, Cox being a perfect example of that. Built a miserable team from the ground up and then was fired and Torre came in and messed things up a bit.

And the last is my favorite. Isn't there like 5.5 million people living in Atlanta Metro? So there are that many people who share the same positive that Fredi Gonzalez does as far as being manager of the Braves.
 
thewupk said:
The team went into a downward spiral and it got out of control. Nobody cared and it was obvious. That would not have happened under Bobby or any other decent manager.
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If that's truly the case, everyone ought to be attending church twice a week (if you're the religious type) and thanking God or singing Hart's praises on a daily basis for getting rid of the whole lot of them. If you think Bobby was the reason Chipper, Smoltz, Glavine, Maddux, et al gave their all every time they stepped on the field, you don't understand the game and what it takes to be a great player.

If players need the Manager to make them give a *hit about the game they're being paid bags of money to play, they don't deserve a cent (or to be in the league for that matter).

I'm guessing that those of you who feel it's the Manager's responsibility to get the players to play hard also had to have your parents watch over your shoulder to get you to do your homework. Of course it was "their fault" when you made Cs since they gave you the wrong answers and you figured the right ones out on your own.
 
zitothebrave said:
That list has to be made up?

He was a minor league manager in Florida, Wren was Assistant GM, I don't think he spent too much time dealing with minor league managers aside from getting reports and whatnot. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Wow he coached with the Braves for 4 seasons. WOOOOOOOOO

A lot of people had BObby as their mentor. Tim Hudson says Bobby was a mentor, why not make him a player/manager? I could go on but the list is silly long

SInce when was being a major league manager necessarily a good thing? What was Bud Black before getting San Diego? Mike Scioscia? Joe Maddon? Could go on. Everyone needs to start from somewhere, and usually a manager fired from another organization, even one as incompetent as the Marlins isn't the best place to start. Sure you find some great ones, Cox was fired by the Braves, Torre was fired by the Mets, Braves and Cardinals before finding his fit. But in general, most great managers aren't fired, unless they're done so prematurely, Cox being a perfect example of that. Built a miserable team from the ground up and then was fired and Torre came in and messed things up a bit.

And the last is my favorite. Isn't there like 5.5 million people living in Atlanta Metro? So there are that many people who share the same positive that Fredi Gonzalez does as far as being manager of the Braves.
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Apparently the 12,500-ish that showed up at the park last night. Of course all Managers should be judged by attendance - especially in Atlanta where NOBODY goes to games.
 
clvclv said:
Apparently the 12,500-ish that showed up at the park last night. Of course all Managers should be judged by attendance - especially in Atlanta where NOBODY goes to games.
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The attendance this year is awful and will continue to be awful all year... Even with Atlanta standards. The product put on the field is awful.
 
sturg33 said:
The attendance this year is awful and will continue to be awful all year... Even with Atlanta standards. The product put on the field is awful.
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So I'd guess you want to blame Fredi for that too? Who's fault was it when your cherished 2012 and 2014 teams averaged less than 30,000/night? Attendance in Atlanta has been a joke since 2001 - apparently the same time some people finally jumped off the bandwagon after being spoiled for half of the run and started complaining about every little thing.
 
clvclv said:
So I'd guess you want to blame Fredi for that too? Who's fault was it when your cherished 2012 and 2014 teams averaged less than 30,000/night? Attendance in Atlanta has been a joke since 2001 - apparently the same time some people finally jumped off the bandwagon after being spoiled for half of the run and started complaining about every little thing.
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And now we'll average under 20K.

I don't know why your so butt-hurt that several fans don't necessarily agree with tearing apart one of the winningest teams in all of baseball over last 5 years. To each his own
 
sturg33 said:
And now we'll average under 20K.

I don't know why your so butt-hurt that several fans don't necessarily agree with tearing apart one of the winningest teams in all of baseball over last 5 years. To each his own
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It still infuriates me.
 
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