Official off-season trade rumor and suggestion thread

CrimsonCowboy said:
Wow

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 2h2 hours ago
Source: Scherzer seven-year deal with #Nationals will be for more than $180M.
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He turned down 6/144, not surprising.

Scherzer is great but im not sure i'd pay huge money for pitching.
 
I'd probably keep JZ and make a push to go all-in with the team they have if i was them but thats me.
 
Market next year for starting pitching is loaded. Zimmerman, Cueto, Fister, Price, Kazmir, Iwakuma, Gallardo, Samardzjia, Latos, Leake, Lackey, Kennedy, and possibly Greinke.

Don't ask who the 2 best hitters available are.
 
gilesfan said:
Good grief:

Max

Strasburg

Zimmermann

Fister

Gio

Roark

Cole
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Yes- does this move help assuage some of the consternation around here about the Braves not dismantling? There is no way we could have won the East and unlikely the wildcard given inter division match-ups with our former roster.

However- I predict this signing will haunt the Nationals down the road. Assuming 180m/7 is it, he's slightly overpriced even assuming 5% per year per win inflation-- and that's not even taking into account the loss of the 27th pick which has some value (around 20m). All assuming, of course, that Max actually stays healthy and pitches to his current ability with normal regression expected as he gets older.
 
Certainly dumb signing but teams with money can get away with dumb signings in an effort to go for it. this gives them opportunity to trade Fister or Zimmermann for best package or recoup draft pick at end of the year. This happens when u have one of richest owners in MLB and the Orioles owe them a **** ton of money.

Rizzo is a pretty good GM, i think the Jays were after him. Hes been able to restock a couple prospects and add an ace pitcher and has only given up a set up man so far.
 
gilesfan said:
Certainly dumb signing but teams with money can get away with dumb signings in an effort to go for it. this gives them opportunity to trade Fister or Zimmermann for best package or recoup draft pick at end of the year. This happens when u have one of richest owners in MLB and the Orioles owe them a **** ton of money.

Rizzo is a pretty good GM, i think the Jays were after him. Hes been able to restock a couple prospects and add an ace pitcher and has only given up a set up man so far.
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Makes adopting a team easier, too?
 
Assuming they trade Zimmermann, I think this is the right move by Rizzo. Zimmermann, Fister, Desmond, Span are all FAs in 2016, so this is a preemptive move to bridge the gap. Long term deals for SP are always risky, but Scherzer has been more durable than the average bear. They have very good prospects that can back-fill Fister after 2015 (A. J. Cole) and Strasburg after 2016 (Lucas Giolito). The Yunel Escobar acquisition gives them a bridge between Desmond and top prospect Trea Turner.

The Nationals may be as talented as they'll ever be at this moment, but there won't be a significant drop-off in 2016 and 2017 on paper.
 
thethe said:
Top pitching will always be at a premium. Braves know what they are doing.
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Still cheaper then what a position player would get. He's averaged 6 fWAR and 6.35 bWAr the last two years. ~25 million a year for a 6 WAR player. The Red Sox for example signed Sandoval for 19 million a year who has averaged 2.6 fWAR the last 3 years.

Nats got more then twice the on field value for only ~6 million more a year.

That said you do pay less per WAR the better the player is which is why there is great value in locking down premier players even though your putting a lot of your eggs in one basket so to speak. But there is no denying that position players are getting paid more than pitchers right now.
 
thewupk said:
Still cheaper then what a position player would get. He's averaged 6 fWAR and 6.35 bWAr the last two years. ~25 million a year for a 6 WAR player. The Red Sox for example signed Sandoval for 19 million a year who has averaged 2.6 fWAR the last 3 years.

Nats got more then twice the on field value for only ~6 million more a year.

That said you do pay less per WAR the better the player is which is why there is great value in locking down premier players even though your putting a lot of your eggs in one basket so to speak. But there is no denying that position players are getting paid more than pitchers right now.
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Yeah, but the Red Sox are big dummies soo...
 
This move makes the nationals the best team in baseball....for now. Great move for them short term, and depending on what they do with Zimmermann, Desmond, and fister, I doubt it hurts them in the future.

I will say this though in regards to Zimmermann. If they trade him, that rotation is no better than it was last year. If they trade Desmond, the offense won't be as good.

A lot will depend on what the nats do from this point on. If they keep everyone, they are the favorites to win it all.

If they trade jz and id, the team isn't as good as last year and rthe future will depend on the returns they get from those guys.

I still expect nationals to be heavy contenders for the next 4 or 5 years, but as a Braves fan, I'm liking more and more the moves hart is making to acquire young high ceiling pitchers BC we see how expensive signing an ace is.
 
Tapate50 said:
Yeah, but the Red Sox are big dummies soo...
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While that might be true it falls in line with what teams are paying position players this year which is around 8-9 million per WAR. We are paying a guy 11 million for likely worth just a little over 1 WAR.

As was mentioned earlier in this thread regarding free agents next year. There is a glut of pitching. Hitting? Not so much. That drives pitching contracts down and hitting contracts up.
 
Tyler Kepner
@TylerKepner
Had hunch Scherzer would try for record contract for RHP. He got it from Nationals, and deal sounds like $200M+, with significant deferrals.

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Deal looking ****tier and ****tier.
 
Cubbies about to pick up Dexter Fowler for Luis Valbuena and Dan Straily. Not a bad exchange for the Astros.
 
Agree

I'm more worried about what they get when they trade their excess SP. And that they have enough money so it doesn't matter.

BJ's + Uggla has us blowing up our team. Maybe Nats don't have that problem with their money.

Hawk said:
Tyler Kepner

@TylerKepner

Had hunch Scherzer would try for record contract for RHP. He got it from Nationals, and deal sounds like $200M+, with significant deferrals.

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Deal looking ****tier and ****tier.
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Hawk said:
Tyler Kepner
@TylerKepner
Had hunch Scherzer would try for record contract for RHP. He got it from Nationals, and deal sounds like $200M+, with significant deferrals.

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Deal looking ****tier and ****tier.
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Wow.
 
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