Official official offseason thread

Deester11 said:
There's no one on the board who'd change any of that. No GM is perfect...yada yada. However, there are moves or strategies that are fair to question. This offseason can certainly be questioned without saying AA sucks. In a vacuum I am not a fan of the Murphy trade but I understand the thought behind it. If that's doubting AA, it is what it is.
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There’s that, and then there’s saying he’s Coppy 2.0.
 
AA is very good at what he does. We keep assuming he is the reason people are needing to get themselves hyped about a 29-year-old platoon player who has two decent seasons under his belt and has played more than half a season exactly once. Well he has a 96 arm and might throw out a couple guys trying to stretch a single! I will say I do appreciate that he can draw some walks!
 
CyYoung31 said:
There’s that, and then there’s saying he’s Coppy 2.0.
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Reading can be hard when it doesn’t say what you think. I never once called him a bad GM or copy 2.0. I said people will die at his alter much like they did when Copy was here and making trades. All the comments saying how he gets paid to do this so I guess he knows more than us. They defended him until they could no longer defended him. Which is fine. We are fans. We do stupid things. We attack others who might question someone you like. Sort of like when one of my kids used to hit the other with a toy when they tried to take it. You haven’t matured enough in your fandom to be rationale. It is ok. Like my kids I won’t attack but correct with compassion.

What AA did this offseason has nothing to do what he has or hasn’t done in the past. It still baffles me why people think that is what I am saying. It is like you thinking I shot your dog because I said he crapped on the carpet.

AA, imo, didn’t have a great offseason. I would have preferred if he didn’t want to spend in the deep pool that he just make. A few moves around the edges and keep a lot of the milb depth. That or make these win now moves but push in a little more and over pay. I am sorry it rubs you the wrong way. I will just treat AA like I am talking about Bear to a hick Alabama fan. That I have three dogs, 2 kids and 4 grand kids named bear.
 
he knows more than your dumbass because the Braves have had tremendous success almost across the board with him as GM lol. the braves will once again have one of the best rosters in the league. whine all you want about moves AA didn’t make and “tHe DiReCtIoN” but we have no clue what he tried to do it who he tried to acquire. the price of SS was clearly insane. so again, whine all you want but you don’t really have a clue what you’re talking about.
 
I disagree the Murphy trade shortened the window. D'Arnaud is getting older. Murphy gives you 3 more years at C. Contreras had a good stick, but they obviously didn't think C was his future.

Malloy was sold high to fill the need created by the Matzek injury and the Jansen FA. If AA's crew deserves the benefit of the doubt anywhere, it is self scouting our prospects and knowing who not to trade.

With what AA has locked up, the window is open for a long time and will have considerable financial flexibility in the years to come as the farm gets rebuilt.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I am complaining about his direction. Not the team. We made a win now move by getting a catcher who is older and less controlled and gave up 5 players to do so. We gave up one of our few hitting prospects left to get a reliever controlled for one year. But that is it.

It is like he doubled down on a six and drew a five. We pushed in our bet and can’t take the next card that might improve our chances. I think if you are going out to get Murphy then you have to suck up the fact you are over paying for a SS. By the time Turners deal goes south our window is most likely closed. Especially as we keep giving the farm and controlled players away.

This team will be good. Probably for the next three years at least. And he might do somethings that extend our window the next few years. But I don’t just put blind faith because he is AA. I really question what direction he is really trying to go here.
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Again, Contreras is probably gonna have to DH way more than he catches going forward. It's possible that Contreras doesn't quite have as much value was we thought. A primary DH simply doesn't hold a ton of value.

Not concerned about losing Malloy. People are upset losing the best hitter in our system but fail to realize our system is terrible. He's a 40/45 FV level prospect without a position. Tommy LaStella seems like the perfect comp for him.

We are set up nicely as an elite team over the next 2-3 seasons, depending on what happens with Fried. These are the types of moves elite teams make while in their window.
 
Carp said:
Again, Contreras is probably gonna have to DH way more than he catches going forward. It's possible that Contreras doesn't quite have as much value was we thought. A primary DH simply doesn't hold a ton of value.

Not concerned about losing Malloy. People are upset losing the best hitter in our system but fail to realize our system is terrible. He's a 40/45 FV level prospect without a position. Tommy LaStella seems like the perfect comp for him.

We are set up nicely as an elite team over the next 2-3 seasons, depending on what happens with Fried. These are the types of moves elite teams make while in their window.
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Malloy would be lucky to be LaStella.
selling high on assets is smart.
 
Super said:
he knows more than your dumbass because the Braves have had tremendous success almost across the board with him as GM lol. the braves will once again have one of the best rosters in the league. whine all you want about moves AA didn’t make and “tHe DiReCtIoN” but we have no clue what he tried to do it who he tried to acquire. the price of SS was clearly insane. so again, whine all you want but you don’t really have a clue what you’re talking about.
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Post of the year stuper. Way to contribute. Sorry if I hit a nerve on how you viewed copy before he left in disgrace.
 
i doubt AA goes after a LF at this point. think they try the guys they have there and work Grissom in at some point of none of them turn it around. i don’t think the situation is as dire as some make it.
 
OcalaBrave said:
I disagree the Murphy trade shortened the window. D'Arnaud is getting older. Murphy gives you 3 more years at C. Contreras had a good stick, but they obviously didn't think C was his future.

Malloy was sold high to fill the need created by the Matzek injury and the Jansen FA. If AA's crew deserves the benefit of the doubt anywhere, it is self scouting our prospects and knowing who not to trade.

With what AA has locked up, the window is open for a long time and will have considerable financial flexibility in the years to come as the farm gets rebuilt.
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I agree the window should be open for a while. But things can go off the rails quick. The Mets just 5 years ago had the rotation for the ages and it all but evaporated in a year. The point about shortening a window isn’t about guys at positions but more about having guys who are productive for a long time. Who cares if WC had to play SS. He was a good player who had 5 more years to contribute something of value.

I know there is a better than zero chance that I am way off about these moves this off season. Outside of msState, I will eat crow with the best of them. But me being right or wrong in the past doesn’t change my opinion of what we did this off season. It feels like one foot in and one foot out.

So I expressed that and tried to keep it as a civil discourse to enhance convo. But guys like stuper feel superiority over anyone who might break the line of lemmings and think differently. But those dudes and their little egos don’t bug me much. Your post are much better for the board and continuing a discussion. So thank you.
 
Super said:
i doubt AA goes after a LF at this point. think they try the guys they have there and work Grissom in at some point of none of them turn it around. i don’t think the situation is as dire as some make it.
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There really isn't room to. Counting Hilliard, we have six outfielders now. And if Hilliard isn't on the roster, Adrianza or a third catcher like Tromp will be. Unless he finds a way to unload Ozuna or Rosario, I see no openings for the outfield/DH group. Let's just focus on some bullpen insurance, preferably a lefty, and maybe a veteran starter if Soroka needs to start the year in Triple-A and Anderson/Elder can't be a reliable fifth starter.

The situation is not dire at all — I'd pick them to win the East and be in serious contention for the pennant if the season started today — but it's not unreasonable to want more of a sure thing at the weaker spots or to expect it from an organization that is rolling in cash.
 
I gotta defend Matt because I'm in the same boat to an extent. Those loving the Murph move have every right to, but some (me included), think that virtually the same offensive production could have been had while addressing LF/SS first. No one said they have to overspend and no matter what you think of WC or Malloy and others, IN MY OPINION, they would have been prime candidates to trade for a LF. People are still talking about both positions, so there is merit to that line of thinking.

As a fan of the team, and an infinite prospect hound, I don't love the asset subtraction while LIKING Murphy a great deal. So just because Matt stands by what he says, I respect it. Doesn't have to be popular.
 
bravesnumberone said:
There really isn't room to. Counting Hilliard, we have six outfielders now. And if Hilliard isn't on the roster, Adrianza or a third catcher like Tromp will be. Unless he finds a way to unload Ozuna or Rosario, I see no openings for the outfield/DH group. Let's just focus on some bullpen insurance, preferably a lefty, and maybe a veteran starter if Soroka needs to start the year in Triple-A and Anderson/Elder can't be a reliable fifth starter.

The situation is not dire at all — I'd pick them to win the East and be in serious contention for the pennant if the season started today — but it's not unreasonable to want more of a sure thing at the weaker spots or to expect it from an organization that is rolling in cash.
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I agree we are probably set positionally unless AA drops some sort of surprise trade that makes us all giddy. Like you said we most likely snag a pen guy around the end of spring to sure up any holes we have there. I disagree. We won’t worry about a starter unless all 3 of them face plant in spring.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I agree the window should be open for a while. But things can go off the rails quick. The Mets just 5 years ago had the rotation for the ages and it all but evaporated in a year. The point about shortening a window isn’t about guys at positions but more about having guys who are productive for a long time. Who cares if WC had to play SS. He was a good player who had 5 more years to contribute something of value.

I know there is a better than zero chance that I am way off about these moves this off season. Outside of msState, I will eat crow with the best of them. But me being right or wrong in the past doesn’t change my opinion of what we did this off season. It feels like one foot in and one foot out.

So I expressed that and tried to keep it as a civil discourse to enhance convo. But guys like stuper feel superiority over anyone who might break the line of lemmings and think differently. But those dudes and their little egos don’t bug me much. Your post are much better for the board and continuing a discussion. So thank you.
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My two main problems with the three-way with Milwaukee and Oakland continue to be that we didn't extract something out of Milwaukee — whether it be a reliever, a prospect, or them taking on Rosario's money or part of Ozuna's money — and that we traded two catchers in the deal. I guess Oakland just really needed Pina to be in the deal, but with LF not upgraded beyond a platoon situation where we're relying on an unlikely best-case scenario coming to fruition, we're in a spot where our best nine hitters will be in the lineup in fewer games. You can say TDA is due for an offensive decline; he's still a better option than Ozuna, but without that third-catcher flexibility, there will be far fewer games where Murphy and TDA can be in the same lineup.
 
Deester11 said:
I gotta defend Matt because I'm in the same boat to an extent. Those loving the Murph move have every right to, but some (me included), think that virtually the same offensive production could have been had while addressing LF/SS first. No one said they have to overspend and no matter what you think of WC or Malloy and others, IN MY OPINION, they would have been prime candidates to trade for a LF. People are still talking about both positions, so there is merit to that line of thinking.

As a fan of the team, and an infinite prospect hound, I don't love the asset subtraction while LIKING Murphy a great deal. So just because Matt stands by what he says, I respect it. Doesn't have to be popular.
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Maybe I am wrong here but there is a difference between over spending and overspending to fit your window. Dansby is just overspending. Someone like Turner who should be good the remainder of our window is overspending but one that fits our window. By the time that contract sours acuna and Ozzie might be gone and we are all just talking about all the prospects we have on the farm while celebrating or 5 WS championships this decade. Ok maybe that is a bit extreme.
 
bravesnumberone said:
My two main problems with the three-way with Milwaukee and Oakland continue to be that we didn't extract something out of Milwaukee — whether it be a reliever, a prospect, or them taking on Rosario's money or part of Ozuna's money — and that we traded two catchers in the deal. I guess Oakland just really needed Pina to be in the deal, but with LF not upgraded beyond a platoon situation where we're relying on an unlikely best-case scenario coming to fruition, we're in a spot where our best nine hitters will be in the lineup in fewer games. You can say TDA is due for an offensive decline; he's still a better option than Ozuna, but without that third-catcher flexibility, there will be far fewer games where Murphy and TDA can be in the same lineup.
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Although some think I whine about the team everyday. I actually think Ozuna is going to have a pretty good year. We are all human and last two years as a human had to be unbelievably hard on him. So much so it impacted his performance. I think he surprises some of his biggest critics. Myself included.
 
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