Official Offseason Thread

CrazyTrain said:
Why? The chances are he won't eclipse that WAR ever again?
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To be fair...chances were that he wouldn't put up the numbers he did in 2019 at this time last winter as well. I think most people would have been more than happy with a healthy 3+ win season from him to justify his money - the fact that he rewarded AA's confidence by far surpassing that does have to make one worry at least a little that AA adds an extra year (even if it allows him to keep the AAV down a bit) given their history together. I don't think AA gives him $100 million at this point, but I'm not convinced he won't tack on that 4th season just yet. If AA's willing to go 4/$80 million, I don't think there's much chance Donaldson leaves unless the other bidders will go to $100 million.

Somebody's going to screw the pooch and give Donaldson a 4th year to get him - there just aren't enough 3B available to fill the spot for everyone looking (us, Washington, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Texas, possibly the Angels). Two of those teams are going to end up with a platoon like Dalyn mentioned or Todd Frazier.

Just an opinion (one that plenty don't share), but I think people have jumped ship on Riley a little too quickly. He's struggled every time he's moved up a level and has been fine after having some time to make adjustments. He's had 274 ABs at this level while trying not to embarrass himself while learning to play LF on the fly. Nobody thinks he's going to "replace" Donaldson, but I don't think anybody thinks he's as bad as he was after the advance scouts were able to put together a quick book on him after his opening hot streak either - he's somewhere in between.

I'd rather go the 4/$64 million that Fangraphs projected for Ozuna than give Donaldson that 4th year at $20 (or more) million. If AA's not a believer in Riley at all, jump out there early and give Ozuna 4/64 and Moose 3/36 instead of giving that $80-100 million to Donaldson.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
Not any sillier than lots of other poop I read here and other forums.
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We try to hold a more intelligent baseball discourse on these forums, so setting the bar at the level of other forums isn't going to fly.

So no, basing a FA's value on where he ranks compared to other current FAs at his position is not how FOs make decisions. A 5 WAR catcher is a 5 WAR catcher regardless of how many other catchers are on the market, or how good they are.

If intelligent baseball discussion isn't your thing, please stick to the kiddie boards located elsewhere.
 
Enscheff said:
We try to hold a more intelligent baseball discourse on these forums, so setting the bar at the level of other forums isn't going to fly.

So no, basing a FA's value on where he ranks compared to other current FAs at his position is not how FOs make decisions. A 5 WAR catcher is a 5 WAR catcher regardless of how many other catchers are on the market, or how good they are.

If intelligent baseball discussion isn't your thing, please stick to the kiddie boards located elsewhere.
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I left this board for months because of arrogant ass holes like yourself before and I can do it again very easily. You don't like what I post put me on ignore. Frankly, I don't understand your constant beratement of clv. Supposedly you sit in Las Vegas and he is way out here in NC. Not much of a threat IMO. But just so you know my response to Super was in response to his criticism of a post I made in response to a post another poster put up in response to one I made to...…………………….Anyway, Im sure you can figure it all out.
 
Enscheff said:
Now we are speculating JD will take a $20M discount to the stay with the Braves?

Who here believes an MLB player who has been with a franchise for 1 season will give a 25% hometown discount?
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How many teams were beating down his door to pay him more than the $23 million AA offered him WAY BEFORE anyone signed last winter? Why didn't he hold out for a better offer from them? I'm sure you have first-hand knowledge.

As for whether he would give AA that kind of - or any - discount, I'm going to guess that you have the same amount of first-hand knowledge. He's openly stated several times that he liked it here and is willing to come back. How much he liked it and how much he wants to come back is what they're likely going to be negotiating, and I'd bet they already are.

AA has a number that he won't cross - we all know that. Donaldson's representatives were sent out to test the waters and see if they're going to be able to get 4 year offers for him. What I worry about is that they have already found out that there are going to be multiple teams that will offer that 4th year - where that puts the AAV is inconsequential except to *ricks like you - and that not only does AA cave and say "I'll give you the fourth year, but we simply can't exceed $80 million including any performance bonuses" but that Donaldson accepts it. There's absolutely no reason the Rangers and Angels wouldn't offer the 4th year since they can give him time at DH.

Since you're the "expert" on where these salaries are all going to fall AND you know exactly what the GMs are going to do, should we go back and check your predictions for the Grandal deal? Maybe we should check your unquestionable knowledge about how much money AA is going to spend on the pen this winter? Would you like to tell us again that there's no way that payroll will eclipse $130 million?

Didn't think so. When you finally get one of these right this winter I'm quite sure you'll let us all know. Until then we'll just have to read your posts about how you "miscalculated" but weren't actually wrong.
 
We should offer Donaldson a contract for 4 year but with stipulation. First year 23 millions if he reach certain amount of plate appearance that can go up to 25 million. Second year the same. Third and four year mutual option and same stipulation.

This is just a example not the amount of money we should offer.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
I left this board for months because of arrogant ass holes like yourself before and I can do it again very easily. You don't like what I post put me on ignore. Frankly, I don't understand your constant beratement of clv. Supposedly you sit in Las Vegas and he is way out here in NC. Not much of a threat IMO. But just so you know my response to Super was in response to his criticism of a post I made in response to a post another poster put up in response to one I made to...…………………….Anyway, Im sure you can figure it all out.
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We berate clvderp because he is an idiot. The fact you can't understand that speaks volumes.

If you're going to threaten to leave, you should make sure anyone cares...
 
clvclv said:
How many teams were beating down his door to pay him more than the $23 million AA offered him WAY BEFORE anyone signed last winter? Why didn't he hold out for a better offer from them? I'm sure you have first-hand knowledge.

As for whether he would give AA that kind of - or any - discount, I'm going to guess that you have the same amount of first-hand knowledge. He's openly stated several times that he liked it here and is willing to come back. How much he liked it and how much he wants to come back is what they're likely going to be negotiating, and I'd bet they already are.

AA has a number that he won't cross - we all know that. Donaldson's representatives were sent out to test the waters and see if they're going to be able to get 4 year offers for him. What I worry about is that they have already found out that there are going to be multiple teams that will offer that 4th year - where that puts the AAV is inconsequential except to *ricks like you - and that not only does AA cave and say "I'll give you the fourth year, but we simply can't exceed $80 million including any performance bonuses" but that Donaldson accepts it. There's absolutely no reason the Rangers and Angels wouldn't offer the 4th year since they can give him time at DH.

Since you're the "expert" on where these salaries are all going to fall AND you know exactly what the GMs are going to do, should we go back and check your predictions for the Grandal deal? Maybe we should check your unquestionable knowledge about how much money AA is going to spend on the pen this winter? Would you like to tell us again that there's no way that payroll will eclipse $130 million?

Didn't think so. When you finally get one of these right this winter I'm quite sure you'll let us all know. Until then we'll just have to read your posts about how you "miscalculated" but weren't actually wrong.
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What the...??

You have descended to a new level of stupidity...stretched out to 1000 words.

Grandal's deal fell exactly in line with expectations. My comments about Grandal perhaps preferring a shorter deal with a higher AAV were speculation about what it would take for him to sign with the Braves. Obviously, he didn't prefer 2/40, and the Braves didn't get him. Your lack of reading comprehension is the source of you thinking I was wrong.

I have stated at least a dozen times the splurge on the BP was completely unexpected...as has almost every single competent poster on these boards. Literally nobody saw the Smith move coming. This is another example of you trying to use "you're just as dumb as everyone else" as an insult, and it's very odd.

I have also been continually adjusting my projections for opening day payroll as we get more information,. That's what analysts do...analyze data as it becomes available. I figured $130M, and now we have come to a consensus it may be closer to $140M. This isn't religion...intelligent people understand conclusions change as more data becomes available. The fact you see it as a negative shows how stupid you are.

And no, clown, JD isn't giving the Braves a 25% discount. Now off you go to flex your lifetime membership to the IBWAA and write something about trading Albies for Dee Gordon.

You're an idiot. Everyone here knows you're an idiot. Just accept it and spare us the long rambling posts.
 
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We have far more examples of teams paying the hometown player a premium rather than the hometown player taking a discount. Jose Abreu, for example, just got paid $20M more than he would have made on the open market with the qualifying offer attached.

Suffice to say, JD ain’t taking less than what he’s worth.
 
chop2chip said:
We have far more examples of teams paying the hometown player a premium rather than the hometown player taking a discount. Jose Abreu, for example, just got paid $20M more than he would have made on the open market with the qualifying offer attached.

Suffice to say, JD ain’t taking less than what he’s worth.
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Wrong...clvderp is a lifetime member of the Internet Baseball Writers Association, and he says JD will give the Braves a 25% discount after playing in Atlanta for 1 season.
 
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