Official Offseason Thread

That's not what I said. I said they would have to return to 2018 form for the Braves not to be better off with Joc, plus Stripling, plus long term commitment freed from Inciarte, plus whatever trade return you get by dealing Inciarte. This was never trade Camargo and Inciarte for Joc. It was trade Camargo and a couple of prospects not in the Braves top 4-5 prospects for Joc and Stripling which allows you to trade Inciarte for best available return.

You did say that. I even quoted it. And I know you meant the entire trade package, and it's still an entirely absurd statement. If Ender and Camargo return to the 3+ WAR players they were ion 2018, it is next to impossible that such a trade scenario would make the Braves better in the short term or long term, as Ender would have 2 more years left of control and Camargo would have 3. And that's not even considering the value of Wilson or Jenista as long term assets.

A Joc trade boils down to one thing. Does it makes the Braves better? And the answer is, may be marginally in 2018, but that is being pretty pessimistic on Ender, Camargo, and Wilson. And it's much more likely we will be worse off after that. And yes I know Pache and Waters are ready to take over in CF, but there is no guarantee they will pan out. Having several starting caliber CFers is actually a good thing. Quality depth is super important. And supposing Ender does rebound to a ~3 WAR player, he regains much of his lost trade value and allows us to get a much better return in a trade.

Finally, let's be real here. If Joc is a 3 WAR LFer and is sooo much better than Ender as has been suggested, who exactly is going to trade us anything of value for Ender? If he's barely a 1 WIN player, which has already been pointed out are his projections, who is going to give us a starting caliber 3b in exchange for that?
 
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i can't figure out why some want to dump Ender after one season of injuries. he puts up 2 WAR and his contract is a steal. you'd be trading an awful lot of valuable, cheap control of solid depth between Wilson/Camargo/Ender.
 
Looks like we standing pat for now. Who are some guys to keep an eye on getting released that can be a LHH infielder?
 
Holt is still out there, right?

Lamb may be dumped by the DBacks if his arb deal isn't guaranteed.

Adding a LHH 3B is more important now than adding a RHH cOF was before the Ozuna signing.
 
Holt is still out there, right?

Lamb may be dumped by the DBacks if his arb deal isn't guaranteed.

Adding a LHH 3B is more important now than adding a RHH cOF was before the Ozuna signing.

Holt is still out there. no idea what the Holt up is. i'd like him on this team.
 
Holt is still out there. no idea what the Holt up is. i'd like him on this team.

If the other teams that were rumored to be in on Holt (Reds and Blue Jays) haven't signed him yet, that could mean he wasn't willing to take a non-guaranteed deal before now. If that actually was the case, you'd think camps opening and him being jobless would change that stance pretty quickly.

Kinda have to wonder if they're willing to hand out any guaranteed deals until they get a good look at Camargo and Riley during camp and get a better handle on Hamels' shoulder - may need to spend that money on a 5th starter.
 
Anybody heading down to any ST games ?
I am gonna go down for a few - would love to meet up for a beer or three ...

I hear Emma may go down, but drinks may be involved.....and we might be talking about something else

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If the other teams that were rumored to be in on Holt (Reds and Blue Jays) haven't signed him yet, that could mean he wasn't willing to take a non-guaranteed deal before now. If that actually was the case, you'd think camps opening and him being jobless would change that stance pretty quickly.

Kinda have to wonder if they're willing to hand out any guaranteed deals until they get a good look at Camargo and Riley during camp and get a better handle on Hamels' shoulder - may need to spend that money on a 5th starter.

i have to imagine he's been offered some guaranteed money. maybe just not to his liking.
 
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