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Carp said:
If not for the injury issues, he's probably the first college bat taken. And it's a valid concern and a reason I don't want to draft him at 5. But some team will get a steal if he falls out of the 1st 15 picks and he doesn't need TJS.
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It is said the only way he doesn't need TJS is if he stays a DH. And even then, he still might need it.
 
Enscheff said:
Two weeks ago we didn't have the information we do now. Things have stabilized and a clear Top 5 have emerged.

Notice how I changed my views based on assimilating new info? Notice how that's different than being a posi-Barve?
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Those guys were not rated in the top five two weeks ago either. Beck was always an underslot possibility for the Braves and Adell's value had crashed well before then, if anything it was and is recovering.
 
Enscheff said:
Yeah, why wouldn't an NL team want a position player with no true position on defense?

I suppose the team who runs Kemp out in LF and never subs for him defensively would value a player like that haha.
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As far as I'm aware the reason he doesn't have a position is that he needs surgery. But like I said, it is significant.
 
Enscheff said:
Yeah, why wouldn't an NL team want a position player with no true position on defense?

I suppose the team who runs Kemp out in LF and never subs for him defensively would value a player like that haha.
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He's athletic enough to play both LF and 2b, though his footwork and arm his weakest links. That may force him to a corner OF spot. Either way, he gets pretty high praise for his athleticism. It's not lIke we're talking about Adam Dunn here. The main concern on Hiura is the injury.
 
Enscheff said:
If the Barves draft Hiura today, he was not BPA. If Hiura suddenly turns into the top prospect in the game, he was not BPA today.

No matter what Anderson has done since draft day, or does in the future, he was not BPA. That's all folks are saying when they state the fact the Barves didn't take BPA.

Anderson is a good prospect. He is doing pretty well so far as a pro. He might very well be a good MLB pitcher. But he was not BPA on draft day.

That isn't a slam on Anderson. That doesn't make me negative. That doesn't mean I hate him, or hate the Braves. All it means is that he wasn't BPA, and was selected to save money...it is a statement of fact. A fact acknowledged by every single baseball site unaffiliated with the Barves.

I want the Barves to draft BPA today, unlike what they did last year. Drafting BPA is the best way to get the best players in the future.
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Why is he not BPA?

I agree anderson was not the publicly available highest ranked player. What does that have to do with the actual best player available. We know teams spend a lot of time and money on their own metrics and scouting. The under slot deal is shows that anderson agreed that he was unlikely to be picked that high by other teams but it does not prove that he was not the BPA on the Braves board.

This isn't the basketball draft.
 
Enscheff said:
And where do you think the "experts" get 95% of the info they pass along?
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They see players themselves. Klaw has his personal ranking and his mock. They are usually VERY different.

They also talk to scouts, cross checkers and front office people.

Those people giving them information also have personal agendas.

Oh and agents. Agents love telling who is contacting them about players. They have no agenda.

Second and third hand information is a great source for decision making.
 
I'm just curious what anybody really likes about Keston Hiura? He isn't profiled to anything more than average defensively and is a 15 homer guy at his ceiling. And he hasn't done anything but DH all season bc he possibly needs TJ!! Wth is people projecting that as a top 5 talent in this draft to us? We can't possibly be as stupid to pick that at #5. I know most are homers and will go along with what ever the FO does but damn, come on. Don't ruin the pick bc you "hope" somebody will be there at 41.
 
Russ2dollas said:
They see players themselves. Klaw has his personal ranking and his mock. They are usually VERY different.

They also talk to scouts, cross checkers and front office people.

Those people giving them information also have personal agendas.

Oh and agents. Agents love telling who is contacting them about players. They have no agenda.

Second and third hand information is a great source for decision making.
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LOL, ok bud, Anderson was BPA. When they draft Hiura, he is also BPA.

Got it.

Posi-Barves assseemmmmmbbblle! The draft is about to start!
 
Carp said:
He's athletic enough to play both LF and 2b, though his footwork and arm his weakest links. That may force him to a corner OF spot. Either way, he gets pretty high praise for his athleticism. It's not lIke we're talking about Adam Dunn here. The main concern on Hiura is the injury.
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Got it. BPA at 5.

Posi-Barves assseemmmmbbblllle!!
 
Hudson2 said:
I'm with you. I'm assuming Gore will be gone and probably Wright as well. Lewis is the no brainer there.
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Enscheff says Lewis isn't BPA because he has a low ceiling unlike Adell and Beck. He doesn't want to waste a pick on someone who at best is a solid starter.
 
nsacpi said:
I'm hoping Lewis is there and we pick him.
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I bet the Braves end up with the option to pick

1. The (relatively) safe bet to be a #3 in about 2 years, or
2. The HS player with a utility floor, and top of the order hitter with plus CF defense ceiling.

And then instead they take Hiura, the injured college hitter with no defensive position so they can sign him cheaply to free up money to sign another injured pitcher at 41.

Barves Way!!
 
Enscheff said:
I bet the Braves end up with the option to pick

1. The (relatively) safe bet to be a #3 in about 2 years, or
2. The HS player with a utility floor, and top of the order hitter with plus CF defense ceiling.

And then instead they take Hiura, the injured college hitter with no defensive position so they can sign him cheaply to free up money to sign another injured pitcher at 41.

Barves Way!!
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If we were an American League team, Hiura might make some sense.

If Lewis is gone, Beck would be my next choice. The college hitters don't impress me as having the same kind of upside Lewis and Beck do. And I think a significant part of Lewis' upside is the likelihood he can play a premium defensive position at the major league level.
 
Southcack77 said:
Enscheff says Lewis isn't BPA because he has a low ceiling unlike Adell and Beck. He doesn't want to waste a pick on someone who at best is a solid starter.
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Forgot ever saying that. Pretty sure I've said I want Lewis/Wright, followed by Gore.

I would certainly prefer Beck/Adell/Baz to Pratto/Haseley/Hiura though if the Barves are dead set on going under slot.
 
Fangraphs new mock goes McKay Greene Gore Lewis.

5. Atlanta – Kyle Wright, RHP, Vanderbilt

Wright is the top player on my board, and I think he’d be a steal here, but there’s a chance Atlanta goes underslot with Concordia Lutheran HS (TX) Shane Baz, UC Irvine 2B? Keston Hiura and Huntington Beach HS 1B Nick Pratto. They’ve also had North Carolina prep outfielder Austin Beck in to work out, but I think there’s less money to be saved there than with the other names. If Wright doesn’t go here, he should be considered the favorite at each pick until he does.
 
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