His UZR is much worse with the Braves, right?
I don't see what the point of range is? Its even more susceptible to SSS than anything. And its like "pitches seen" in that it means nothing, if you get on base (or if you don't make the defensive play).
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His UZR is much worse with the Braves, right?
I don't see what the point of range is? Its even more susceptible to SSS than anything. And its like "pitches seen" in that it means nothing, if you get on base (or if you don't make the defensive play).
Of course you don't see the point. You argued it wouldn't improve when playing next to a plus defender and now that it has (like it has with Markakis) it's simply susceptible to SSS. Anything in a low amount of innings or at bats is susceptible to a small sample size. But it's what we have to go off of right now. I suspect his UZR range in 2017 will be one of the best of the last few seasons if he's still playing next to Ender.
Kemps defense is drastically worse, what do you mean?
So again, why are you bring up "range?" Range is simply an aspect on defense and you were arguing that Kemps defense would improve next to Ender.
Can you read? His range, according to UZR, has improved since coming to Atlanta. It's not hard to understand.
chop2chip
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Were you expecting Ender to help Kemp's throwing arm?
I argued his range would improve which is something you kept denying. Arm and fielding ratings are much more susceptible to SSS. They can fluctuate hard while range generally stays consistent.
Apparently.
I'm not sure how you can claim his range has improved based on UZR numbers from 27 games. It's almost like you don't understand how UZR is calculated.
DRS has him at -8 runs over 27 games with the Braves vs -7 runs in 100 games with SD.
He has been worth -0.9 WAR in 27 games for the Braves, which is a pace of -5.4 WAR over a full season. Almost all of that due to poor defense.
I'm not sure how anyone could possibly claim Kemp has been better defensively in Atlanta with any sort of credible data backing them up. He has been awful. Quite possibly the worst defender in the league.
And his .697 OPS isn't making up for it, no matter how much you guys think he "just knows how to drive in runs".
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Actually, -0.8 is like the definition of average, at least according to Fangraphs talking about UZR, so it totally matters which metric you use.
My eye test says he's decently below average, though, but I see the point in being consistent with what metric you use and not changing metrics to fit your narrative without an obvious reason.
So if he stays at -0.8 next year with an adequate-ish sample size, you would agree that Ender's range limits Kemp's negative impact on defense? Or do you prefer DRS and won't care what UZR says?
Because that's what it says? Unless you are suggesting the range component of UZR is not accurate. And I don't think anyone is suggesting he has been better defensively overall in Atlanta. He's been well below average with the actual fielding and the use of his arm. Those are things nobody can fix but himself. Range however is different and that has been better, according to UZR, since he joined the Braves.
zitothebrave
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Sampling though.
Kemp has only had a chance to make a play on about 50-60 balls. Hardly anything to actually base anything off of one way or the other.
Of course it is. But the same thing has happened with Nick this year. Posted positive range for the first time in years. We'll see if these trends continue.
But, his defense is much worse.
I'm not sure what you are even getting at. That dude has said Inciarte would help Kemps defense. People countered that.....and Kemps defense has been atrocious, right? So, how had Inciarte helped his defense? And now its somehow....well, LOOK AT HIS RANGE!!!!!
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It is his range that is -0.8. His UZR is -22.6/150. In SD, it was -11.5/150 this year. You can use DRS or UZR if you like.
Due to his poor arm so far. He's been worth -2.2 runs in 200 innings with his arm according to UZR. That's not likely to continue at that pace. That's an area where one or two plays early can really help or really hurt your defensive numbers. Range is more consistent and ultimately what really drives defensive numbers. It's what you can count on going forward. And that has improved since coming to Atlanta albeit in a small amount of time.
chop2chip
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thewupk has been consistent in communicating range. Obviously Ender was never going to help with things he can't control. If you don't understand that, then what's the point?
He's helped his range. Do you expect him to help him throw and catch the ball too? You're better than this.
chop2chip
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He's actually not.