oppression AND tyranny

[cajunrevenge]

I cant help but laugh at people who call Canada seizing like 100 bank accounts tyranny but cops can literally rob you in America and you have to prove your property didn't commit a crime at your own expense. Where was the outrage for Americans?

 

[nsacpi]

Are the statistics for the safety of driving at extreme speed, or the benefits of fluoride, being manipulated and outright falsified when those governments impose those decisions? Because we know now that did happen, repeatedly, with COVID mandates. I probably spent a grand on cloth mask supplies for my wife to make and give away. Fauci and the CDC said they would keep people safe. They knew that wasn't true.

1) Your public spiritedness is commendable

2) I think we've known from very early on that medical masks > cloth masks > nothing for reducing spread of covid and other infectious airborne diseases

3) I await a response that addresses the point made in my post (though that is entirely up to you)

4) Pursuant to 3 above, my point was that Putin's recent actions are instances of tyranny AND oppression. Canada and Australia not so much. To call legitimate and reasonable policies (with which we can certainly express disagreement) tyranny AND oppression betrays a certain lack of maturity and perspective.

5) It is interesting that advocating for measures such as vaccines and mask wearing is being described as dishonest because they do not STOP covid (or in your words "keep people safe"). Those types of criticisms themselves strike me as dishonest given that any reasonable person knows that such measures work to REDUCE the spread of covid and its worst consequences. There is a world of difference between STOP and REDUCE. Who is being DISHONEST in eliding that distinction.

 

[thethe]

Public health lied repeatedly about data to push their goals.

Trying to pivot from the original message on masks/vaccines is something I’d expect you to do.

 

[zitothebrave]

What laws did they break?

I mean I'm not diving into the court filings for Canada, but there's the ever easy to slap on someone Criminal Mischief. But as I recall most of the arrests came after a court order that ordered the square cleared. So violating a court order. USA that's I believe obstruction of justice, but again, I'm not a lawyer.

If you want to debate the ethics of the law, that's a different topic. And not the topic at hand.

 

[zitothebrave]

I’ll await your answer on the Portland, BLM, etc threads before you can be taken seriously …

Be waiting a while if I had to guess.
No one likes to crawfish that hard

What does this post even mean? I've said Americans have their right to protest. I've been pretty danged uniform on that. I don't know **** all about Canadian law, I believe in their rights to protest but I don't know what any of the laws in Canada are. Well that's not entirely true, i guess I mean I don't know what any of the citizen rights in Canada are.

 

[Jaw]

1) Your public spiritedness is commendable

2) I think we've known from very early on that medical masks > cloth masks > nothing for reducing spread of covid and other infectious airborne diseases

3) I await a response that addresses the point made in my post (though that is entirely up to you)

4) Pursuant to 3 above, my point was that Putin's recent actions are instances of tyranny AND oppression. Canada and Australia not so much. To call legitimate and reasonable policies (with which we can certainly express disagreement) tyranny AND oppression betrays a certain lack of maturity and perspective.

5) It is interesting that advocating for measures such as vaccines and mask wearing is being described as dishonest because they do not STOP covid (or in your words "keep people safe"). Those types of criticisms themselves strike me as dishonest given that any reasonable person knows that such measures work to REDUCE the spread of covid and its worst consequences. There is a world of difference between STOP and REDUCE. Who is being DISHONEST in eliding that distinction.

There is no reasonable argument that the government/CDC/Fauci/et al were not intentionally dishonest. They've admitted it more than once. I also don't think you're naive enough to believe the lifting of the Capitol mask mandate was about anything but political optics, so you must know that your position here is silly. So why are you still standing there?

 

[nsacpi]

There is no reasonable argument that the government/CDC/Fauci/et al were not intentionally dishonest. They've admitted it more than once. I also don't think you're naive enough to believe the lifting of the Capitol mask mandate was about anything but political optics, so you must know that your position here is silly. So why are you still standing there?

As noted in point 3 of my post a response is up to you.

Meanwhile in the spirit of Fredi G I tip hat to you for non-response.

 

[Jaw]

I've enjoyed the "freedom" of driving on the autobahn without a speed limit, but don't regard places that have highway speed limits as oppressive or tyrannical.

Some communities put flouride in their water. Others don't. Certainly this is an inconvenience for those who don't want to drink or shower with water that has flouride in it. But it is a legitimate public policy decision either way.

What Putin is doing is oppression AND tyranny. Canada and Australia not so much. It betrays a certain lack of perspective and maturity to characterize the public health decisions they made as oppression AND tyranny.

When I took Bear for his walk, I had to pick up his poop. It is the law where I live. Other places don't practice that sort of tyranny. C'est la vie.

Bear says hi to everyone and wishes everyone could be as chill as he is when discussing their differences of views.

Is the point you keep referring to that what Canada and Australia are doing isn't tyranny and oppression? I'm unsure because you gave no reasoning for that beyond your say so.

The analogy you tried to draw with speed limits and water additives has been shot down.

The only things left are that Putin is oppressive and tyrannical, and dog crap. What Putin is doing in Ukraine is neither of those things, it's war, or barbarism. If he didn't have half the nukes in the world he would be tried for war crimes. If you were referring to him locking up the Russians who are protesting his actions, much like Canada and Australia have done, then I agree. I wonder if he seized their financial assets too. That would be real tyranny. Like Canada.

 

[thethe]

Is anyone surprised that he has learned nothing?

 

[nsacpi]

Is the point you keep referring to that what Canada and Australia are doing isn't tyranny and oppression? I'm unsure because you gave no reasoning for that beyond your say so.

The analogy you tried to draw with speed limits and water additives has been shot down.

The only things left are that Putin is oppressive and tyrannical, and dog crap. What Putin is doing in Ukraine is neither of those things, it's war, or barbarism. If he didn't have half the nukes in the world he would be tried for war crimes. If you were referring to him locking up the Russians who are protesting his actions, much like Canada and Australia have done, then I agree. I wonder if he seized their financial assets too. That would be real tyranny. Like Canada.

This time I tip hat for response. I still disagree that what happened in Canada is "like" what is happening under Putin in Russia. And still think one is tyranny AND oppression and the other a reasonable policy decision (about which reasonable people can disagree).

 

[zitothebrave]

There is no reasonable argument that the government/CDC/Fauci/et al were not intentionally dishonest. They've admitted it more than once. I also don't think you're naive enough to believe the lifting of the Capitol mask mandate was about anything but political optics, so you must know that your position here is silly. So why are you still standing there?

While it is optics relieving standards just before SOTU as a means to build positive momentum.

That being said, at this point people as far as masks go will wear them or not. The guidance portends to hospitalizations because of the change in the virus. Guidance would have to change over time. The fact that people cannot grasp that guidance would change as more information comes out is dumb.

 

[thethe]

What about the guidance on what qualifies as a COVID hospitalization?

Was that a science change or a data point they conveniently changed the definition of when they needed better results and vice versa when they wanted bad results?

 

[Jaw]

What about the guidance on what qualifies as a COVID hospitalization?

Was that a science change or a data point they conveniently changed the definition of when they needed better results and vice versa when they wanted bad results?

This. And there still isn't data to support masking kids in schools, they knew from the beginning that non-medical masks were ineffective, they've known since the trials that vaccinated people would still catch and pass on the virus. Those weren't cases of guidance changing, they were deliberate, calculated lies.

 

[thethe]

This. And there still isn't data to support masking kids in schools, they knew from the beginning that non-medical masks were ineffective, they've known since the trials that vaccinated people would still catch and pass on the virus. Those weren't cases of guidance changing, they were deliberate, calculated lies.

ITs very challenging for people to admit they were wrong after they were pompously pumping their chest for years as if they knew a thing.

The funny thing is that they think more information is not coming out. These are just the appetizers.

 

[sturg33]

Is the point you keep referring to that what Canada and Australia are doing isn't tyranny and oppression? I'm unsure because you gave no reasoning for that beyond your say so.

The analogy you tried to draw with speed limits and water additives has been shot down.

The only things left are that Putin is oppressive and tyrannical, and dog crap. What Putin is doing in Ukraine is neither of those things, it's war, or barbarism. If he didn't have half the nukes in the world he would be tried for war crimes. If you were referring to him locking up the Russians who are protesting his actions, much like Canada and Australia have done, then I agree. I wonder if he seized their financial assets too. That would be real tyranny. Like Canada.

Yup. He just says its not oppression and that's that.

Meanwhile, what is Putin doing to his own people? I wonder if he fired military people for refusing vaccine

 

[nsacpi]

I know that Newsweek is not as reliable a news organization as RT but here ya go:

Russia has started the mass inoculation of its armed forces against COVID-19 and is scaling up manufacturing of its flagship vaccine amid a record number of new daily cases.

Russian defense minister Sergei Shoigu said on Friday that 2,500 military personnel had already been vaccinated and tens of thousands more would receive the jab by the end of the year.

"In accordance with the instructions of the president, the vaccination of military personnel against the new coronavirus infection has begun. In total, it is planned to vaccinate more than 400,000 servicemen," he told a military department meeting, according to the news agency Tass.

11/27/2020

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-begins-vaccinating-400000-military-personnel-against-covid-1550739

Doesn't change my view one way or another about Putin (even tyrants can have some reasonable policies). But for some around here it may matter.

 

[sturg33]

Article doesn't mention if they fired soldiers for not taking them

If they did, you have a feather in your cap about Putin's oppression.

As of.n now, you are probably the most pathetic poster on this board.

 

[thethe]

Article doesn't mention if they fired soldiers for not taking them

If they did, you have a feather in your cap about Putin's oppression.

As of.n now, you are probably the most pathetic poster on this board.

When someone answers a question you didn't ask you know you've won.

 

[zitothebrave]

This. And there still isn't data to support masking kids in schools, they knew from the beginning that non-medical masks were ineffective, they've known since the trials that vaccinated people would still catch and pass on the virus. Those weren't cases of guidance changing, they were deliberate, calculated lies.

There isn't a lot of data on transmission of kids. They should do a whole study on efficacy of cloth masks, but it's way past that point because it's very easy to get N95 and surgical masks now.

Reality too is most people wouldn't be willing to go through the trials to truly prove the efficacy of the masks.

 

[57Brave]

Article doesn't mention if they fired soldiers for not taking them

If they did, you have a feather in your cap about Putin's oppression.

As of.n now, you are probably the most pathetic poster on this board.

Russians literally fire soldiers.
None of this pink slip severance pay BS