goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
uh
isn't the difference between a religion and a cult the amount of real estate, the amount of members you have and about 500 years?
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uh
isn't the difference between a religion and a cult the amount of real estate, the amount of members you have and about 500 years?
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
He has come out and said he is following what God tells him to do
so, he is an armed religious fanatic. if he was brown, he would be labeled a terrorist
but whatever
57Brave
Well-known member
40 Million Bad*ss Birders Just Declared War On Oregon Terrorists
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zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
In a sense yes. Christianity was a radical sect of Judaism, as was Islam. That became standard over time.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Logic like this is the same as saying Atheism is a religion. It's just bad logic.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Yes. The word "cult" basically means worship.
But it's tertiary - and normal usage really is: "a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious." To be "unorthodox" means to deviant from that which is regarded as orthodox-right (in this case Creedal Christianity). It also has the connotation that the cult is promoting the views in a way that intends to undermine the original group.
To the orthodox Jew, Christianity of any stripe would be seen as a cult. And Messianic Judaism would be see probably as the more sinister variety.
As the differences become clearer and owned by both sides, then the "spurious" view comes to be seen for what it is, another religion.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
They make better neighbors especially since they don't ring the doorbell on Saturday mornings as much.
What do you say to JW's when they approach you?
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Words mean something - or they should. If by "cult" you mean a "worshiping body of people" then yes. If you mean that which deviates, self-consciously, from core doctrinal beliefs of an established religion and yet wants to pass as a sect of that religion then "no."
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Yeah, but that doesn't make him a Christian. Christians aren't the only ones who appeal to God or a god.
Some do call him a terrorist. I'm sure others would call him a freedom fighter standing up against statists. Could call him an anarcho-capitalist I suppose. Or, just one in a long line of western cowboys. This stuff ain't new.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Depends on how I feel that day to be honest. Sometimes I might engage them apologetically (questioning their beliefs, going back and forth). Other times I tell them, "I'm a local pastor, have a nice day" and I go back to bed.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
While agreeing that it's bad logic, I of course disagree with your analogy.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
A friend wrote the following:
What the Bundy militia is doing in Oregon is not without precedent in American history, and you don't have to go all the way back to Shays' Rebellion to find it.
In 1969, an armed group of student protesters took over the Willard Straight Hall of Cornell University. Protesting injustices, they held the building for about 36 hours. The showdown eventually ended without violence, and the protesters' demands were largely met. They are now regarded as heroes among much of the academic world, though the incident did cause Allan Bloom to begin criticizing progressive academia, eventually resulting in his book *The Closing of the American Mind.*
You can read more about the campus takeover here at a webpage hosted by Cornell:
Link
What the Bundy militia is doing in Oregon is not without precedent in American history, and you don't have to go all the way back to Shays' Rebellion to find it.
In 1969, an armed group of student protesters took over the Willard Straight Hall of Cornell University. Protesting injustices, they held the building for about 36 hours. The showdown eventually ended without violence, and the protesters' demands were largely met. They are now regarded as heroes among much of the academic world, though the incident did cause Allan Bloom to begin criticizing progressive academia, eventually resulting in his book *The Closing of the American Mind.*
You can read more about the campus takeover here at a webpage hosted by Cornell:
Link
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Nothing new under the sun.
Depends on how I feel that day to be honest. Sometimes I might engage them apologetically (questioning their beliefs, going back and forth). Other times I tell them, "I'm a local pastor, have a nice day" and I go back to bed.
Interesting.
Do they get defensive or start attacking when you question them?
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Depends on who they are. Often times it's an older lady with a younger one and they generally go on their way. Sometimes there will be a "friskier" one that wants to have a go at it, but it usually doesn't last too long. Some will want to come back with a higher up. After awhile the local congregation figures out that it's a waste of time to send their folks again.
All my conversations have been cordial though.
This one won't turn my Lord, we must send in reinforcements.
Good... Good... let the hate flow through you.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Sav, you have convicted me of my indifference. Now, I'm going to feel a greater compulsion to engage rather than to go back to sleep on Saturday mornings. Smh.