But it does factor into the FA market. That's pretty standard at this point.
Peraza
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But it does factor into the FA market. That's pretty standard at this point.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
I don't doubt at all that teams look at it when making decisions. It's just not close to the only thing they look at.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Oh I meant right now, or yesterday when it was being discussed. Hawk said something about people defending the deal still, but I don't think anyone was (in any capacity).
I would agree with that. However it's not hard to see that even at 8 million extra to the Braves Kemp could still be overpaid depending on how he plays. If its like 2016 then that certainly will be the case. However I do have reason to believe his OBP won't be near as bad next year.
Southcack77
Well-known member
The payroll cost is really 18 million for the each of the next three seasons, which is a bit more relevant way of looking at it, I think.
The shedding of oliveira can be used as different frames for viewing this one but ultimately braces are citing big checks to Kemp through 2019.
Of course shedding the 8.5 million in 2020 might have made the deal worth it alone.
He was also trying to recover from a serious elbow injury.
This is very unlikely.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
I agree. I'm not saying Kemp is definitely going to be worth the extra money we're paying for him. I just don't think the trade is "moronic" and certainly don't think zito understands baseball better by simply using WAR than the FO in this case.
Just an interesting side note... Each year we all pick up on a handful of guys who seem to be the next hot free agent that the Braves ought to sign. Just a reminder that only a few years ago Kemp was high on the list of guys that could put the Braves over the top. Hindsight is awesome, and while we are mostly okay with having Kemp right now for what he costs and brings to the table, if we had been the ones to sign him to the big contract instead of the Dodgers... imagine how the board would view that move now.
Which is why I'm generally against giving contracts that pays guys well into their 30's. Especially those players who aren't already good at one area (like defense or high K rate) which you would expect to decline during those ages. It's the classic paying guys for what they have done and not what they will do. What they did with JT and Freeman are great examples of what we should be doing.
Teams obviously don't look up a player's WAR from Fangraphs or Baseball Reference when making roster decisions, but you can be assured they have their own version of WAR they use. They also have their own projection systems, based on predictive stats and scouting input, to determine how a player will perform over time. And then they do the exact same cost analysis for that WAR that we do when we talk about trades and signings.
For anyone to suggest teams don't go through that process is nothing but willful ignorance, and verging on pure stupidity.
We obviously don't have access to each team's proprietary WAR systems and projections. What we do have is WAR calculated by places like FG and BRef, and projection systems like Steamer and ZiPs. So we use those sources of information to educate ourselves so we can draw logical conclusions.
That is opposed to many posters who seem to pride themselves on being low information baseball fans. It's fine to not care about all the information available, but it's silly to think a low information fan knows more than someone that takes the time to consume as much info as possible to educate themselves.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
no one suggested anything close to this.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
They certainly look at it. Maybe not in what's available to us, but they have their own metric. Some teams use stats more than others. Reality is that Kemp is flawed.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Never said anything to the contrary of any of this.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Holy crap.
Who said, anywhere, that teams don't read stuff like that?
I cannot comprehend how you and zito get that out of what I was saying. It's not even close to what I said.
Or, perhaps, it's because McDaniel did work for the Yankees (Coppolella connection), Pittsburgh, Baltimore before.
I don't think any FO seriously considers what is posted on 'FanGraphs' in the slightest, no. Do they read it? Yeah, probably, kind of in the same type of way that I read Maxim when taking a ****.
I would venture to guess that most teams have WAR based calculations that are either equal or very similar to fangraphs. They essentially have to if you look at the FA market and how close contracts correlate to WAR. I mean, they also have their scouts and old baseball men talking about why they like the player or not.
Of course. The notion that teams have proprietary statistical data to analyze players is a given one. What I'm saying is that it isn't Fangraphs.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
They should change the name to GMgraphs.