¿Qué decisión tomar con respecto a Peráza?

Knucksie said:
Somebody should let "yeezus" know that he doesn't have to keep quoting my posts. He and that other clown, "Heyward," were the original members on my ignore list, about 18 months ago.
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Arent you cool.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Rather talk about Peraza than our offense again......

Right now to score we have to get 3+ of the following before we get 3 outs: hit, walk, SB. That's hard to do. We all get that. It's a lot easier if you are getting XBH.

I don't think the Braves are trying to get no power guys. That is what was available and they got the best they could. I am surprised D Peterson isn't more celebrated on the board b/c he's one of the few guys that has shown consistent XBH. Davidson's numbers aren't great from a power perspective but there have been scout reports that they are seeing good in game power.

I feel like SS is still a need spot for most teams. We also have some pitching. Can't there be a package that works for two sides were we get a controllable impact guy?
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Lucroy makes too much sense.

We have a huge need of a long-term C, could add some years to his deal.

Have some pitching to deal, and one of Mallex/Peraza/Jace/Albies at least one have to be dealt.
 
They'll certainly have to make some trade decisions, sometime soon, possibly this winter.

As i already said, at least one of Albies, Peraza, Jace, Mallex are blocked.

I'd still call Mil, and see what Wood, and one of them, and another pitching prospect would get them talking for Lucroy.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Jose is a nice player. SS is his highest and best use. He's been a .300 hitter who makes good contact with elite base stealing skills at the minor league level for a number of years. He's shown a lot of positional versatility, moving to 2B competently then to CF.

On the other hand, he has no power, doesn't walk and, in a remarkable turn of events, Atlanta has no place to put him. Simmons isn't going anywhere. Peterson is in the process of solidifying his hold on 2B, hits and does walk and (eyeball opinion, and I think the metrics agree) offers elite defense. No, Peterson long term is not a done deal- yet- but you can see the organization's thinking by looking at how they've started using Peraza in CF.

Meanwhile, Mallex Smith in CF in MS does everything Peraza does, just way better. Plus a little power and a lot of walks. In the meantime, Maybin is playing at a near-all star level in Atlanta, and that's already the second positional shift for Peraza. I suppose he could play a decent 3B, but we're better off filling our power needs there.

I think it's reached the point where the best thing we can do - for him, and for ourselves, with the bullpen issues we have - is to deal Peraza for a couple of high-end (non dumpster-diving) ML-ready cost controlled relievers to ably fill a couple holes. Then he can go .280/.300/.320 with 40 bags and play SS for somebody else.
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This is an example of bad statistical analysis.

Mallex Smith and Jace Peterson are far inferior prospects to Jose Peraza. As has been touched over and over again in this thread. I just wanted to make this point abundantly clear.

First I'll discuss Peterson. Right now, his performance for this season is likely the best he'll ever be. His performance from the plate is very similar to minor league production. He may improve power, but that's very remote as he doesn't lift the ball much (28% of the time). He may have a statistical outlier season, but this is probably the best we'll see him. It's not bad. But why take Peraza over him? Because Peraza can do it all better. Sure he won't walk like Peterson, he's been in the 4-6 range instead of the 10-12 range. And that's significant. It means Peraza will never be an elite hitter, but Peterson could be if he added power. I think there's a better chance of Peraza increasing his walk rate to 10% then Peterson getting his iso over .200. Neither will happen. but one of them basically just requires Peraza to stop swinging. Similar power levels. Maybe a small advantage to Peterson. But where Peraza distances himself is the putting the ball in play part, he regularly strikes out around 10% of the time or lower. That liekly continues in the majors. Even if defense is a push (which it very well may be) Peraza adds offensive value by being a base stealing force. Every level up until this year (I think he's hurt righ tnow) he's stolen a pace over 60 stolen bases per 150 games. That's insane. Basically always north of 80% success as well. He's been a terror in the paths.

Mallex Smith has been great this year. But I think people need to curb expectations a little. his BABIP is over .400. I don't think that's really super maintainable. I think to your original point. Mallex is a lot like Jace but with much better speed. his speed is probably insignificant from Peraza's. Maybe a little better. I think Smith's disadvange vs the other 2 is that he's already striing out close to 20% in the minors. That likely will rise in the majros.
 
Seeing what they did in one offseason makes me pretty confident that this team will be very different in 2017.
 
Tapate50 said:
Seeing what they did in one offseason makes me pretty confident that this team will be very different in 2017.
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Considering we'd be in 1st by at least 2-3 games with a capable pen in a "rebuilding" year, im more interested in what happens this winter.
 
I'm on board with shopping Peraza around a bit. It would take a lot to move him but if we can grab a similar 3B prospect or power bat in the OF I would highly consider. Easier said then done but we're not going to have room for everyone so might as well see what we can get.
 
emk418 said:
I'm on board with shopping Peraza around a bit. It would take a lot to move him but if we can grab a similar 3B prospect or power bat in the OF I would highly consider. Easier said then done but we're not going to have room for everyone so might as well see what we can get.
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The Braves are goingto be aggressive for sure. If anything from this past offseason has taught us it would be that.

However, I don't think we need to rush to make any moves this offseason. I'm willing to see where the chips fall. As many have said our prospects are still really young and the landscape could change a few months from now.

Dustin Peterson is having a tremendous season and Ruiz is starting to get it together. What may seem like a need now may not be a need in a year. Nothing will always work 100% but our big holes at LF and 3B could be filled internally.
 
zitothebrave said:
This is an example of bad statistical analysis.

Mallex Smith and Jace Peterson are far inferior prospects to Jose Peraza. As has been touched over and over again in this thread. I just wanted to make this point abundantly clear.

First I'll discuss Peterson. Right now, his performance for this season is likely the best he'll ever be. His performance from the plate is very similar to minor league production. He may improve power, but that's very remote as he doesn't lift the ball much (28% of the time). He may have a statistical outlier season, but this is probably the best we'll see him. It's not bad. But why take Peraza over him? Because Peraza can do it all better. Sure he won't walk like Peterson, he's been in the 4-6 range instead of the 10-12 range. And that's significant. It means Peraza will never be an elite hitter, but Peterson could be if he added power. I think there's a better chance of Peraza increasing his walk rate to 10% then Peterson getting his iso over .200. Neither will happen. but one of them basically just requires Peraza to stop swinging. Similar power levels. Maybe a small advantage to Peterson. But where Peraza distances himself is the putting the ball in play part, he regularly strikes out around 10% of the time or lower. That liekly continues in the majors. Even if defense is a push (which it very well may be) Peraza adds offensive value by being a base stealing force. Every level up until this year (I think he's hurt righ tnow) he's stolen a pace over 60 stolen bases per 150 games. That's insane. Basically always north of 80% success as well. He's been a terror in the paths.

Mallex Smith has been great this year. But I think people need to curb expectations a little. his BABIP is over .400. I don't think that's really super maintainable. I think to your original point. Mallex is a lot like Jace but with much better speed. his speed is probably insignificant from Peraza's. Maybe a little better. I think Smith's disadvange vs the other 2 is that he's already striing out close to 20% in the minors. That likely will rise in the majros.
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I think its perfectly reasonable to assume a 24 year old rookie is going to have his career year in his first season.

:FrediWut:
 
I think catcher is where they need to trade some players for.

Dont think they'll sign a guy like Wieters.

Lucroy still makes too much sense.

Still wish we got Donaldson, what a freaking stud.
 
I understand the BABIP argument used against Mallex Smith but that is too simplistic. Smith is exactly the type of player that you would profile to have a higher than normal BABIP. It won't be 400 obviously but he could have seasons where its in the range of 330-350.
 
I may be in the minority but I would just stick with CB at catcher. Yeah he probably sucks on offense but he is a plus defender IMO. And we can afford that assuming we don't have any SVOD on the rest of the lineup.
 
thewupk said:
I may be in the minority but I would just stick with CB at catcher. Yeah he probably sucks on offense but he is a plus defender IMO. And we can afford that assuming we don't have any SVOD on the rest of the lineup.
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I think the plan should absolutely be CB. I think he could even hit 260-280 but it would be an empty number. If we got over a 600 OPS from him then we are ahead of the game.
 
thethe said:
I understand the BABIP argument used against Mallex Smith but that is too simplistic. Smith is exactly the type of player that you would profile to have a higher than normal BABIP. It won't be 400 obviously but he could have seasons where its in the range of 330-350.
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Possibly. And that likely makes him a 270ish hitter.
 
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