Race
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He says, highlighting demand that was met 2 years ago.
If hoaxes are so prevalent, it’s weird that Conservatives always point to the same small handful of cases.
cajunrevenge
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Do you want to see all the hoaxes you have pushed?
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
In a sane world this would be prosecuted as racial discrimination. That's the next thing I hope makes it to the Supr Court, after Roe and Heller are reexamined.
cajunrevenge
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I would agree. Giving advantages based on race is wrong in every scenario.
Much has changed in the last 15 years. The NYT wouldn't dare be so unwoke today
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-diversity-create-distrust/
Not necessarily saying one set of authors is correct and the other is not, but it might not be that simple. A lot of the issues surrounding race go back to a chicken or the egg scenario. I’ve seen a few similar studies that show some of what Putnam puts here, but they also go back to a question on whether or not the interpretation of the results is valid or not. Sometimes it just comes down to how we determine who is in our in-group. It’d be interesting to see a break down of these same communities one generation from now and see how changes to the relative change in diversity between the communities changes the results. I’ve seen studies that show that given a longer period of time to adjust, that some of the negative connotations regarding the perceived out-group go away or at least diminish.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
It's a bit of a hobby horse for me. I've seen lots of people over the years in favor of a Scandinavian style safety net (as am I) also preach the benefits of diversity, then turn around and explain away various statistical shortcomings of the US vs Scandinavia as unrealistic due to the homogeneity of those countries compared to the diversity of ours.
Generally speaking, I think it's unrealistic to expect the commoner to not fixate on race while the political, media, and entertainment industries do little else.
Generally speaking, I think it's unrealistic to expect the commoner to not fixate on race while the political, media, and entertainment industries do little else.
I think this is a fair point, but I’m not sure what the realistic alternative is. There was even a study that showed that people will form in-groups on the basis of lies they were just told about made up differences between themselves and others. With that in mind, calling out the differences between groups such as black vs. white or Muslim vs. Christian would seem to hurt with achieving unity. However, I’m not convinced that the answer is to ignore the differences, as many differences are readily apparent, and choosing to ignore it could lead to even worse outcomes. I’m not sure what the solution is, but it frustrates me when some (not saying you) use these studies to argue for less diversity rather than to explore how we can better integrate everyone in a way that lessens the impact of our subconscious biases.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
My first job after I left the hill country was managing a store in a very poor, all black area of east Atlanta. Heckuva culture shock. We would go days without seeing a white customer and there were two of us employees who weren't white. With very rare exceptions, I was treated better there than any of several other stores I managed at. When those rare occasions did pop up there was always someone around to come in on my behalf to keep race from being the focus. Those rare occasions were the only times I was treated as a person of a different race, the rest of the time I was just treated as a person.
I actually read a separate piece on this today. Obviously the headline’s question is ridiculous, but I think the truth of what some teachers are trying to do is a lot more reasonable. From what I’ve seen, teachers aren’t trying to make math “woke” but rather adapt their curriculum to better teach their students the concepts needed to find success with the subject. It’s another scenario where I think race maybe is misapplied, when it’s more of the specific schools and environments where the students are in.
I think there’s a good argument to be made that a simple change in language would get rid of a lot of the debates we have today. Calling it racial equity to teach math differently is going to be naturally controversial, even if the schools where these tools might be most effective are predominantly black. Unfortunately I don’t think anybody is interested in actually coming together to figure out how we can better communicate with one another, because both sides are so sure the other is trying to destroy America or something.