REAL FOOTBALL Thread

gilesfan said:
SO you think people think Wilson is better than RG3?

Roddy White, Julio Jones, Tony G. You are retarded.

Mario Manningham, ftw!
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Wilson had a higher DYAR and DVOA

If you compare their hard stats

RG3 65.6 Comp% 20 TD 5 INT 7.05 NY/A

So yeah in terms of hard numbers RG3 is slightly better than Wilson, but when you factor in the difference in opponents that clearly shifts the advantage to Wilson.

Also Ryan has had all 3 of them at top gear for one season. And they were all of one TD from being in the superbowl.

Great backtrack though, saying they didn't have the weapons.
 
You didn't answer my question. Do you think people believe Wilson is better than RG3?
 
I think many people do.

Hell Jaws ranked him above him and he's not even a stat guy and does dumb things like overrate Joe Flacco.
 
There may be some, but I doubt there are a lot of people that do. According to Jaws, he knocked RG3 bc of the uncertainty of his injury. Jaws also had Tony Romo at 15.
 
BRule said:
Oh good, the "Matt Ryan has no weapons" thing is back....cool.
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Never said that now did I. It's more my counter argument that almost every great QB has great weapons. Ryan does, Eli does, Rapelisberger does, Brees does, Rodgers does, Peyton does. So on so forth. Are great QBs great cause of their weapons or are their weapons great because of them, or is it that they work together to make eachother greater.

Ryan would not be as good without Julio and company. But they would also not be as good without Ryan.
 
gilesfan said:
There may be some, but I doubt there are a lot of people that do. According to Jaws, he knocked RG3 bc of the uncertainty of his injury. Jaws also had Tony Romo at 15.
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There are many. And if Wilson improves on next year, then who knows where things will go in rankings. Many people think RG3 is better, many think Wilson is better, JMO they're about the same and I don't think either of them will last long in the NFL if they keep playing the way they played last year.
 
zitothebrave said:
Never said that now did I. It's more my counter argument that almost every great QB has great weapons. Ryan does, Eli does, Rapelisberger does, Brees does, Rodgers does, Peyton does. So on so forth. Are great QBs great cause of their weapons or are their weapons great because of them, or is it that they work together to make eachother greater.

Ryan would not be as good without Julio and company. But they would also not be as good without Ryan.
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Jones/White/Gonzo

vs.

Nicks/Cruz/Bennet (not even close)
Wallace/Brown/Miller (not even close)
Cobb/Jones-Nelson/Finley (not even close)
Thomas/Decker/Tamme (closer, but just not comparable)
Colston/Moore/Graham (closer, but not comparable)

oh, and Patriots.
 
Are you serious? Packers not even close? You're a moron. Beyond any level I thought possible.

And even if Ryan has the best weapons in the world ,it doesn't mean that he would be garbage without them. You not grasping that simple concept is pathetic.
 
Please tell me how the Steelers RB/WR/TE or the Giants compare to what the Falcons have.....this should be good.

I don't think any team in the NFL has more talent at RB and WR/TE than the Falcons do. Maybe the Broncos....maybe. 49ers with a healthy Crabtree, maybe. Can't think of anyone else.
 
gilesfan said:
Jones and White are better than any WRer the Packers have. No?
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Even if the Falcons WR1>Packers WR1, Falcons WR2>Packers WR2, Falcons TE1>Packers TE1 even with all those being true (which the gulf isn't as big as you are making it out to be) Packers WR3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Falcons WR3 and when you go to 4 wides packers WR4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Falcons WR4.
 
zitothebrave said:
Even if the Falcons WR1>Packers WR1, Falcons WR2>Packers WR2, Falcons TE1>Packers TE1 even with all those being true (which the gulf isn't as big as you are making it out to be) Packers WR3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Falcons WR3 and when you go to 4 wides packers WR4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Falcons WR4.
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So you'd trade the Falcons WR/TE core for the Packers WR/TE core?
 
BRule said:
Please tell me how the Steelers RB/WR/TE or the Giants compare to what the Falcons have.....this should be good.

I don't think any team in the NFL has more talent at RB and WR/TE than the Falcons do. Maybe the Broncos....maybe. 49ers with a healthy Crabtree, maybe. Can't think of anyone else.
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Than the Falcons this year maybe no one is better. Last year the Falcons had ass at RB. Which even how good they were at passing, you'd think Turner could have mustered a respectable season.

As far as the Giants goes. In 2011 they had Nicks, Cruz, and Manningham at 1/2/3. That's way better than what Ryan had. RB they were weak at but got the steam in the post season when Jacobs finally nutted up. But sadly even that group they had was better than Turner and Quizz. Tony is obviously better than Ballard. For the Steelers, they had a slew of weapons over the years. Holmes, Ward, Miller, Parker, Bettis, so on so forth. Are any of them better than Julio or Roddy? Who knows but it would be liek debating if theres' a massive difference between Heyward and Stanton and so on so forth.
 
As someone impartial, no way I take Green Bay's guys over Atlanta's.
Where do Bryant/Austin/Witten rank to you guys?
Too bad there's never been a line or run game in Dallas.
 
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