REAL FOOTBALL Thread

thethe said:
He isn't top 5. He had a great season in 2012. He got hurt in 2013. Lets see what happens in 2014.
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1100 yards and 9 TDs inhis 4th NFL season, lets give him the MVP.

Julio Jones in his second year in the NFL had just under 1200 yards and 10 TDs. To me that's great. If Julio is 26 and not getting 80 yards per game I'll be disappointed.
 
zitothebrave said:
1100 yards and 9 TDs inhis 4th NFL season, lets give him the MVP.

Julio Jones in his second year in the NFL had just under 1200 yards and 10 TDs. To me that's great. If Julio is 26 and not getting 80 yards per game I'll be disappointed.
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Thats such a ridiculous comparison I'm not even sure why I'm responding. First off, Julio is a better receiver. Secondly he plays in a passing offense. Thirdly, he has been surrounded by better offensive skill position players so far in his career. Ryan is a better QB than Smith. And Gonzalez is a better receiving tight end than Vernon. Plus he had Roddy White.

I'm not even sure why this comparison is even being made.
 
yeezus said:
Exactly. He isn't even relatively close to top 5. You want people to give him credit for potential.
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No, I want people to give him credit for what he is which is one of the better WR's in the NFL. People talk about him like he is just another guy over here and its laughable. He will show everyone this year. Sadly, I don't expect to see him a 49er in the future.
 
thethe said:
No, I want people to give him credit for what he is which is one of the better WR's in the NFL. People talk about him like he is just another guy over here and its laughable. He will show everyone this year. Sadly, I don't expect to see him a 49er in the future.
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I think everyone would agree he's above average.
 
thethe said:
Thats such a ridiculous comparison I'm not even sure why I'm responding. First off, Julio is a better receiver. Secondly he plays in a passing offense. Thirdly, he has been surrounded by better offensive skill position players so far in his career. Ryan is a better QB than Smith. And Gonzalez is a better receiving tight end than Vernon. Plus he had Roddy White.

I'm not even sure why this comparison is even being made.
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So being surrounded by better talent, wouldn't that take targets from him?

Also Tony is not a better receiving TE at the late portions of his career than Davis. Tony was maybe a better system fit, I'd buy that, but Davis is a stud. He's not Gronk or Graham, but he's in that next group of guys who should be pushing 1000 yards as a TE, his problem is Kaepernick can't throw the intermediate pass. Tony was great in Atlanta's system because he never really had to worry about a double, or much pressure and Ryan is great at throwing intermediate passes which is where Tony's only value in as his skills after the catch were bad the last few years.
 
zitothebrave said:
So being surrounded by better talent, wouldn't that take targets from him?

Also Tony is not a better receiving TE at the late portions of his career than Davis. Tony was maybe a better system fit, I'd buy that, but Davis is a stud. He's not Gronk or Graham, but he's in that next group of guys who should be pushing 1000 yards as a TE, his problem is Kaepernick can't throw the intermediate pass. Tony was great in Atlanta's system because he never really had to worry about a double, or much pressure and Ryan is great at throwing intermediate passes which is where Tony's only value in as his skills after the catch were bad the last few years.
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Yeah, nobody on Atlanta had to worry about a double team. Thats why it was easier to get open. Vernon is a good receiving TE but he is not in the same league as Gonzalez in terms of understanding the soft parts of coverages and how to position their bodies to catch the ball. What makes Vernon the best TE in football is the fact that he is essentially another offensive lineman out there. His blocking is elite from the TE position.

In 2012 Crabtree just had Davis and nothing else. He was doubled on every single play essentially. Why wouldn't he be? Nobody else in that receiving core would have hurt the opposing team. Even with that he had an excellent year in 2012. Not elite best WR of the league numbers but excellent numbers, especially from the point Kaep took over.

Also, like you said Ryan is a better passing QB than Kaep at this point in their careers. 49ers are also a very run heavy team. Throw all these factors into the equation and its easy to see why Crab did not get all the looks that these other receivers get/got.
 
Loud noises!!!!!

No seriously. Crab is a little better than the average wideout and a little worse than your average no 1. Nothing wrong with that. I'd put him anywhere from 15-20 if I had to rank em.
 
thethe said:
Also, like you said Ryan is a better passing QB than Kaep at this point in their careers. 49ers are also a very run heavy team. Throw all these factors into the equation and its easy to see why Crab did not get all the looks that these other receivers get/got.
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Or it could be he doesn't get separation and Kaepernick can't throw him open like say Ryan would or even Nick Foles would. Smart QBs>Talented QBs.
 
Tapate50 said:
Loud noises!!!!!

No seriously. Crab is a little better than the average wideout and a little worse than your average no 1. Nothing wrong with that. I'd put him anywhere from 15-20 if I had to rank em.
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I would agree with this. However, I do believe that Crab will move up the ladder by the end of this season.
 
zitothebrave said:
Or it could be he doesn't get separation and Kaepernick can't throw him open like say Ryan would or even Nick Foles would. Smart QBs>Talented QBs.
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Or there are more opportunities to catch balls in Atlantas system and there are more weapons out there to divert attention. Its not hard to understand.

In 2012 when Kaep took over he had 40 catches for 595 yards and 5 TD's. That prorates to one hell of a season. This is of course with just Vernon Davis and absolutely no other wide receivers in a offense that wants to run the football 55-60% of the time. Context Zito...context.
 
San Fran had Manningham and the better paired for him Moss. Boldin JMO hurts Crabtree cause they're the same basic receiver, but Boldin is much better at it. Concern with Boldin is age and speed though.
 
zitothebrave said:
San Fran had Manningham and the better paired for him Moss. Boldin JMO hurts Crabtree cause they're the same basic receiver, but Boldin is much better at it. Concern with Boldin is age and speed though.
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Moss wasn't good for the 49ers and Manningham is a decent #3 who got hurt.

Crabtree was adequate last year with Boldin when he wasn't near full strength. Crabtree is one of the best slot wide receivers in the NFL and can play along side anyone. Sure, you would rather have an over the top guy paired with either of those guys but with Kaeps arm strength the windows that are not there for guys like Ryan are safe throws. Just differences in the way that you can play the position with different QB's.

Boldin was incredible last season and again that was with tremendous amounts of attention applied to him. Defenses are not going to be able to double anyone on this team and its going to be great. Now Kaep has to show he has made progress in both his pre-snap and during the play reads. If he does the 49ers are going to score LOADS of points.
 
If someone as slow as Crabtree is your slot man, your'e doing the slot wrong. Slot receivers are supposed to be fast and explosive. Crabtree is neither.
 
zitothebrave said:
If someone as slow as Crabtree is your slot man, your'e doing the slot wrong. Slot receivers are supposed to be fast and explosive. Crabtree is neither.
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PFF rated him as the best slot receiver in 2012. You just don't know what type of receiver Crabtree is. He is tremendously agile and has excellent acceleration. He just doesn't have the top end speed. Also, his hands are tops.
 
thethe said:
I would agree with this. However, I do believe that Crab will move up the ladder by the end of this season.
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His injuries and consistency hurt his stock though. The more I think about it, the more he may be in the 20+ range. Good Wrs are a dime a dozen in today's nfl. But he does admittedly have room for upward growth with regards to ranking because he has unfulfilled talents . He is as good as gone next year I'd imagine.

I think you want him as your no 2, not no 1 guy.
 
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