REAL FOOTBALL Thread

thethe said:
And if the 49ers had the roster that hte Titans had they would have gotten around 3-4 starters just from the 2013 draft. Lets not even go after the 2014 draft which has had amazing returns thus far.
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Oh give me a break with that ****. Titans may be bad, but those players aren't that good.
 
Can someone explain to me the illegal formation penalty where the receiver covers up the tight end or tackle? I know there can't be more than four players in the backfield.

Also why isn't this ruled dead since its a pre-snap penalty like a false start or something like that.
 
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Carp said:
Oh give me a break with that ****. Titans may be bad, but those players aren't that good.
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We will see when they finally get a chance to play because they aren't behind top players like Justin Smith and Ray McDonald in the future.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
Can someone explain to me the illegal formation penalty where the receiver covers up the tight end or tackle? I know there can't be more than four players in the backfield.

Also why isn't this ruled dead since its a pre-snap penalty like a false start or something like that.
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It's not a penalty to cover up a tight end. What is a penalty is for that covered up tight end to then go out into coverage. I'll try to explain all of the LOS rules 7 men must be on the line of scrimmage. If you don't have 7 men on the line at the snap of the ball it's a foul. I can't remember if that's enforced similar to a false start or not though as it almost never happens. Illegal formation as you're asking about where a receiver covers up a tightend isn't a deadball foul. Because covering up a tightend isn't illegal as I mentioned above. If that covered player then goes and breaks the rules of an ineligible receiver is where you run into an illegal formation type of penalty. Such as going past 3 yards (or 5 I forget) of the LOS before a pass, making a play on a forward pass etc.

You can stick 10 men on the line have someone who's covered catch a lateral or back pass and it's all legal. The basic rules have to be covered that's all.

One of my favorite plays I'd love to see someone in the NFL run some day if you have a great long snapper and a great QB is someone run some really fun and creative lineups.

For example,

TEOTOGOGOT C WR
HB FB WR

QB

Downside to that formation, is that you need a really smart QB who can break a defense down on the spot and offensive players who can execute, but upon seeing a lineup like that, how would the defense react? My guess is they'll burn a timeout to adjust. There's basically 3 key advantages to this lineup first key advantage is if they decide to rush several at the QB then you have an isolation situation with 6 blockers covering your HB and not that many guys rushing him. Within 1 yard of LOS there can be no pick plays so if you don't stick DL over the OL it's murderfest. If the match your overshift and you leave no one over the center, then you create one of 2 potential plays. If you have a runner he now has a lane, you also now have a great screen to the WR behind the ball. as he can get a block from the WR on the line and the center can then come across to his right to seal that side up. Now if you have time to think about it, it's pretty easy to stop this play.

Lineup all DL and LBs over on the left. Unless the TE is Vernon Davis or Jimmy Graham you don't have much to worry about in that tight of a space. The DTs and your best run blocking DE clog up the OL you have one LB over the TE one LB behind the DL and one DE and LB coming off the edge, their job is to get around the OL (who should be covered by a DT to give pause) and get to the backs. The LB's job is to play safety. Then on the other side you do this


Safety

Safety CB CB
C WR
Wr

The safety on the line is gonna bum rush the QB. The center even if he's the best snapper in the world won't be able to long snap and block the safety. The corner over the WR is actually covering the outside the corner on the inside is covering the inside. So if the WR on the line runs an inside slant or post he's the responsibility of the inside corner, if he runs an outside move he's the responsibility of the heads up corner. Safety is over top of all of the play but his attention will be put primarily on the WRs. the safety coming at the QB means the QB has about a second to make a decision or he'll have someone on top of him in no time.

Still could make a play happen in that formation if you're the offense. If you have a QB who's mobile enough to slip the safety, then you have a great opportunity if you have a great recceiving HB or TE. As after his first slip it's iso blocking of a center on a safety which isn't really fair for the safety. So the QB will then have some time. Since there's only 3 coverage players on the left side, you now are basically forcing LBs into single coverage with no safety help to handle the RB and TE. Now with proper coaching and the right guys you can cover for that, but it's still not easy.

Long story short, I wish people in the NFL were more creative. When's the last time we've seen a fair catch kick? Imagine if you will you've got a stud kicker, someone runs a pooch onsides kick they you fair catch at the 50. Now you have a chance to kick the ball without any pressure from the defense to seal a win? Only recorded instances I can find of it happening any time but at the end of the first half (where you have nothing to lose) are 4 times. The first attempt and 2 times with the game on the line in the 4th, last attempt was also in the 4th in 79.
 
Does anyone think that Arizona is going to hold on to the NFC West? 3 game cushion at this point in the year is pretty substantial but they do have Henson as their QB.
 
Depends on if they win their division games or not.

They have 4 division games left, Seahawks twice, and at SF and STL. If Seattle beats them twice it's a 1 game cushion. I think they may find themselves out of the playoffs to be honest. Not saying it will happen but lets play WCS.

They have to go to Seattle this weekend, they lose that, they go to Atlanta next weekend and lose that. They then have to go 2-2 playing KC and Seattle at home and going to St. Louis SF. As you stated, with Henson as their QB. Cracks showed last week against Detroit. Beating Atlanta is a must. I think if they lose that game it would be a demoralizing loss.
 
zitothebrave said:
Depends on if they win their division games or not.

They have 4 division games left, Seahawks twice, and at SF and STL. If Seattle beats them twice it's a 1 game cushion. I think they may find themselves out of the playoffs to be honest. Not saying it will happen but lets play WCS.

They have to go to Seattle this weekend, they lose that, they go to Atlanta next weekend and lose that. They then have to go 2-2 playing KC and Seattle at home and going to St. Louis SF. As you stated, with Henson as their QB. Cracks showed last week against Detroit. Beating Atlanta is a must. I think if they lose that game it would be a demoralizing loss.
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lol they are 100% beating atlanta.
 
thethe said:
Does anyone think that Arizona is going to hold on to the NFC West? 3 game cushion at this point in the year is pretty substantial but they do have Henson as their QB.
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Depends on how long that horse shoe stays up their ass.
 
Great post zito! Thanks for the information.

I know Harbaugh within the last couple seasons has had a player call a fair catch on a kickoff. You are right though it rarely happens.
 
thethe said:
Does anyone think that Arizona is going to hold on to the NFC West? 3 game cushion at this point in the year is pretty substantial but they do have Henson as their QB.
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Like you alluded to a three game lead this late into the season is pretty big cushion. They keep finding ways to win these games though. Call it luck or something else, but it's hard to argue with the results they have so far. I expect them to win the division though. 12-4 will get it done assuming tie-breakers are in their favor. Both us and Seattle are sitting at four losses and still play twice. I can't see a sweep on either side.

Now I don't think they are a great team by any stretch. Playoffs are a different kind of football and they definitely could lose early.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
Former Michigan quarterback who also played the hot corner in the Yankees organization...

I don't know what is worse. thethe initially calling him Drew Henson or Zito replying and also calling him Drew Henson.
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lol I'm aware who Drew Henson is, he was one of the best Cowboys QBs in history.
I didn't know he was on the Cards.
 
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