REAL FOOTBALL Thread

[zitothebrave]

Herbert's yards per attempt, yards per completion, and QBR are all at career lows, despite throwing the ball significantly less. He's been nerfed. And not really for a good reason, as the Chargers are still crappy when he is throwing less.

His Y/A is down by half a yard from last year, that's a big drop, but his comp% TD% INT% are in line and his NY/A is tighter. I think they're playing an uber conservative game to continue their rebuild. Call me crazy but that seems to be the plan. Play conservative this year then push the chips in next year when they have a ton more cap space (currently projected to have 70M in free cap) to address their issues

 

[Carp]

His Y/A is down by half a yard from last year, that's a big drop, but his comp% TD% INT% are in line and his NY/A is tighter. I think they're playing an uber conservative game to continue their rebuild. Call me crazy but that seems to be the plan. Play conservative this year then push the chips in next year when they have a ton more cap space (currently projected to have 70M in free cap) to address their issues

You would expect improvements out of both of those when throwing less.

I mean Herbert did sprain his ankle in week 2 vs Carolina, but he wasn't exactly lighting it up vs the worst team in the NFL before getting injured.

 

[gilesfan]

Probably but also the Jets have been massive underachievers, 4-13, 7-10, 7-10. He's lucky to have kept his job.

Look at their QBs how have they been massive underachievers?

The worst thing they could have done was get Rogers so its not surprising that they aren't winning with an old ass QB.

 

[gilesfan]

Herbert's yards per attempt, yards per completion, and QBR are all at career lows, despite throwing the ball significantly less. He's been nerfed. And not really for a good reason, as the Chargers are still crappy when he is throwing less.

4 games is not a good sample size, let it play out. Having said that, I think Herbert is an above average QB but kind of in that range of we have to pay him a fortune but is he really good enough to carry the team on his own type status

 

[zitothebrave]

Look at their QBs how have they been massive underachievers?

The worst thing they could have done was get Rogers so its not surprising that they aren't winning with an old ass QB.

I dunno, Vikings are winning with Darnold, Colts are competing with ancient ass Flacco, last year the Browns were nearly the best team in the AFC with a joke of a QB situation. QBs are important but enough sucking adn you can build a good team. Jets haven't.

Zach Wilson was the guy the Jets decided to go for he was a number 2 overall pick, they could have drafted Justin Fields or Mac Jones who have had better NFL careers. If Wilson goes on like Darnold to have a respectable career somewhere else is that nail in the coffin of Saleh? I digress because I don't think WIlson would do that and I think the only reason it's happening to Darnold is because of the Vikings offense.

In the NFL you get 4 years tops to turn things around. If you don't you're replaced. Is it fair? Not really. But it's the way it is.

Also we seemingly get confirmation it was because of Rodgers he was fired. Not that Rodgers said to fire him but he went after Rodgers's guy in Hackett.

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[zitothebrave]

4 games is not a good sample size, let it play out. Having said that, I think Herbert is an above average QB but kind of in that range of we have to pay him a fortune but is he really good enough to carry the team on his own type status

Herbert looks like a great QB. He's big, strong, his arm is strong, he just doesn't seem to have that it. He doesn't have the competitiveness that Big Ben had, he's not elite at reading defenses, etc.

 

[gilesfan]

I dunno, Vikings are winning with Darnold, Colts are competing with ancient ass Flacco, last year the Browns were nearly the best team in the AFC with a joke of a QB situation. QBs are important but enough sucking adn you can build a good team. Jets haven't.

Zach Wilson was the guy the Jets decided to go for he was a number 2 overall pick, they could have drafted Justin Fields or Mac Jones who have had better NFL careers. If Wilson goes on like Darnold to have a respectable career somewhere else is that nail in the coffin of Saleh? I digress because I don't think WIlson would do that and I think the only reason it's happening to Darnold is because of the Vikings offense.

In the NFL you get 4 years tops to turn things around. If you don't you're replaced. Is it fair? Not really. But it's the way it is.

Also we seemingly get confirmation it was because of Rodgers he was fired. Not that Rodgers said to fire him but he went after Rodgers's guy in Hackett.

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The Browns were smoke and mirros, anyone could see that. Why they lost by 30 immediately in the playoffs.

Colts won 1 game with Flacco

Vikings are smoke and mirros.

 

[zitothebrave]

The Browns were smoke and mirros, anyone could see that. Why they lost by 30 immediately in the playoffs.

Colts won 1 game with Flacco

Vikings are smoke and mirros.

Browns had the best defense in the NFL last year, and if they had Nick Chubb I think they're competitive in the post season (still lose though)

Jets chose to make their bed bringing in ancient Rodgers and they're dealing with it. People shat on the Falcons for the risk in signing Cousins and it was a risk, Cousins will be the same age leaving this contract as Rodgers was when he signed with the jets. Cousins also had basically no injury history before his achilles. Rodgers has had a ton of injuries (broken foot, broken collarbones, Broken Thumb, MCL sprain, etc.)

Saleh either was involved in the Rodgers move, or more likely is a victim of the move because Woody Johnson is a ****ty owner.

 

[gilesfan]

Browns had the best defense in the NFL last year, and if they had Nick Chubb I think they're competitive in the post season (still lose though)

Jets chose to make their bed bringing in ancient Rodgers and they're dealing with it. People shat on the Falcons for the risk in signing Cousins and it was a risk, Cousins will be the same age leaving this contract as Rodgers was when he signed with the jets. Cousins also had basically no injury history before his achilles. Rodgers has had a ton of injuries (broken foot, broken collarbones, Broken Thumb, MCL sprain, etc.)

Saleh either was involved in the Rodgers move, or more likely is a victim of the move because Woody Johnson is a ****ty owner.

Woody is like Dan Snyder. He's in love with Rodgers so when Saleh was gonna demote Hacket, Woody appeased Rogers

 

[zitothebrave]

Woody is like Dan Snyder. He's in love with Rodgers so when Saleh was gonna demote Hacket, Woody appeased Rogers

What's dumb is that the logic was it was Saleh led defense that needed a vet QB. Like what BRady did with the BUcs, the logic was the defense was there as were skill positions, so all you need is the vet who knows how to win to step up and be a solid QB

 

[zitothebrave]

T-Law isn't a bust, imo. He just isn't quite the generational talent he was made to be. Part of that is the Jags being the Jags though. They still have a bottom 5 OL in year 4 for T-Law. They have simply been absolutely dreadful at drafting and collecting talent for T-Law.

 

[50PoundHead]

Woody is like Dan Snyder. He's in love with Rodgers so when Saleh was gonna demote Hacket, Woody appeased Rogers

I honestly don't know which is more true, Rodgers embracing conspiracy theories or people embracing conspiracy theories involving Aaron Rodgers.

As for Herbert, great college QB. Physical specimen, but as zito points out, does lack something in his game. Don't know if it's him not trusting his O-line, but he seems to abandon plays fairly early. New coach in Harbaugh that has an entirely different approach to things probably requires some adjustment as well. Not a lot of weapons at the WR position, although McConkey and Q. Johnson should grow into being pretty good players in time. A lot depends on how Harbaugh is going to try and build the team. He's a great coach, but the pro game has changed a lot since his nine years at Michigan.

 

[50PoundHead]

What's dumb is that the logic was it was Saleh led defense that needed a vet QB. Like what BRady did with the BUcs, the logic was the defense was there as were skill positions, so all you need is the vet who knows how to win to step up and be a solid QB

I think it's important to look at the receivers Brady had in Tampa compared to what Rodgers has in NY. Evans and Godwin are both all-timers and beyond that, they had a good set of supporting guys including the schizophrenic Antonio Brown. I'm a big-time Rodgers guy (on the field), but he's not the guy he was in Green Bay and right now he's got Garret Wilson and not much else on the outside. Part of that is due to Rodgers bringing Lazard with him. Lazard is a decent #3 and can be a match-up problem, but the Jets's WR/TE corps is not that great. Williams will have moments and Conklin will likely become a Rodgers' favorite, but Brady had a huge advantage is Tampa.

 

[zitothebrave]

So thinking about who could be traded at the deadline, some of this depends on the play the next few weeks.

Tee Higgins - If the Bengals don't right the ship, Higgins will likely be sold. Chiefs would be a highly potnetial suitor, Higgins is exactly what they need with Rice out.

Ojulari - Falcons and Niners should be sniffing around. But I don't know if anyone will go for it.

D-Hop - Another Chiefs potential target, Steelers could also go for him.

Adams - Most likely to be traded ASAP, most likely going to the Jets, could go to the Bills or Chiefs.

Reddick - I don't know who'll want to pay him. Someone who needs an edge and has some cap space. Cardinals and Commanders could be teams sniffing around and he likely will cost almost no draft capital.

Amari Cooper - Very good WR, again Chiefs have to be sniffing around, could also see a return to Dallas to supplement Lamb.

Myles Garrett - If ever there was a time it made sense to let Garrett go it's now, you could easily get a 1st or mutliple day 2 picks for him and a team like the Niners or Lions would likely leap at the chance to add the best defensive player in the NFL.

 

[gilesfan]

What's dumb is that the logic was it was Saleh led defense that needed a vet QB. Like what BRady did with the BUcs, the logic was the defense was there as were skill positions, so all you need is the vet who knows how to win to step up and be a solid QB

Im not relying on any 40 year old QBs. Heck, Id be skeptical over anything 35 or more. Just bc Brady was a freak of nature (that carefully took care of his body and never relied on his athleticism) doesn't mean others can do it.

 

[zitothebrave]

Im not relying on any 40 year old QBs. Heck, Id be skeptical over anything 35 or more. Just bc Brady was a freak of nature (that carefully took care of his body and never relied on his athleticism) doesn't mean others can do it.

I mean you're not wrong. I'm personally skeptical of any QB over like 33. We saw what happened to Ryan. But that being said a great QB who moved over 35 is probably worth more than a bad QB now (Desmond Ridder)

 

[Carp]

So they protected T-Law well and he had a great day. Shocking. I am shocked.

 

[Carp]

Someone mentioned the Browns offering up a 1st round pick for a team with a ton of cap space to take on Watson. Essentially someone would buying a 1st round pick.

I don't think it happens for obvious reasons. If you're the Browns, you have to rebuild. And you really don't care who your QB is during the rebuilding process. Get as many picks as you can over the next 2 drafts. Build the OL up. Build back the defense. Take a QB in the 2026 draft. Then in 2027 you have his contract off the books to make FA additions, the team built back up, and you have a 2nd year QB with a talented roster.

 

[zitothebrave]

Someone mentioned the Browns offering up a 1st round pick for a team with a ton of cap space to take on Watson. Essentially someone would buying a 1st round pick.

I don't think it happens for obvious reasons. If you're the Browns, you have to rebuild. And you really don't care who your QB is during the rebuilding process. Get as many picks as you can over the next 2 drafts. Build the OL up. Build back the defense. Take a QB in the 2026 draft. Then in 2027 you have his contract off the books to make FA additions, the team built back up, and you have a 2nd year QB with a talented roster.

It wouldn't be the smartest point as the Browns will wind up probably picking in the top 10. Right now they could if they can convince someone to take Myles, Njoku, Ward and Cooper for picks, then Cut Desean and eat the massive Cap hit. Suck for 2-3 years and build up. So my rough idea is play for a top X pick (say you wind up 3rd) look for someone to trade outa nd acquire future draft capital. They'll be fully set to be able to splurge in 2027 as most of their dead money will be off the board. Take a high QB in 2026, bring in some QB to just get murdered for 2 years then your new QB can start in 2027 with a rebuilt team.

 

[zitothebrave]

Damn I'm still stuck with a fantasy debate. Do I go with Cousins in Kirktober vs. the Panthers or Hurts vs. the Cardinals. Either game could wind up being a blowout where they don't put up stats.