And what would stafford have been if he was coached by them in his 20's / early 30s?
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zitothebrave
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You make it sound like Ryan had Shanny for more than 2 seasons. If Stafford had Dirk Koetter as his main play caller he probably is chasing Favre for all time interceptions.
zitothebrave
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Still not better than Ryan who spent most of his career with Mike Mularkey, Dirk Koetter and Steve Sarkisian as his OCs,
Ryan was surrounded by incredible weapons most of his career - Acting like that isn't the case is funny.
With the best weapons in football. The Falcons offense was absoultely loaded
sturg33
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Megatron was a gift and a curse. Stafford forced so many throws to him leading to breakups and interceptions. Surprisingly, Stafford had better numbers after Megatron retired, because he started spreading the ball around to 2nd and 3rd reads
Now - it's on Stafford not to force balls into not open players, but he became a better QB after he lost that crutch
zitothebrave
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Ryan made Harry Douglas a 1000 yard receiver. He made people think Ridley was a WR1. Julio is an all time great receiver. But so is megatron. And Puka and Kupp were AP1s too. And now he's got Davante Adams as his number 2 who's a future hall of famer.
zitothebrave
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Stafford has gotten Megatron, Golden Tate, Kupp, Puka, etc. it's not like he was doing what Brady did in New England with a bunch of scrubs and an elite TE who was always hurt.
I never said he was Brady. And Ryan had all those weapons simultaneously. It’s no wonder when Stafford got weapons and good coaching he’s the mvp
zitothebrave
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Ryan had Roddy and Julio together for basically 2 years. 2011 and 2012. Julio was hurt most of 2013 and Roddy missed a chunk after that Roddy wasn't effective. That's why the Falcons went after Sanu to replace Roddy and he retired.
Stafford had Megatron and Golden Tate for 2 years, That's basically equivalent to the duo of Roddy and Julio.
Yeah the 2012 Falcons should have won a ring, it wasn't because of Ryan. It was because of his coaches.
Stafford didn't get an MVP until his 5th season and won one of the softest MVPs ever. Up there with Lamar's 2023. THis season wouldn't have been top 3 last year. Lamar and Allen's 2024 smoked Stafford's 2025, and Stafford needed to throw the ball to an AP1 WR and Davante Adams who isn't the AP1 anymore, but is still a really good WR and one of the best redzone receivers in the NFL still.
2011&2012 team you left out Gonzalez/Turner/Douglas - Even Jacquizz had some moments especially when we was young. All behind a very good offensive line.
Stop it.
zitothebrave
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Tony G was in his late 30s. He obviously is a legend but he wasn't a god. He was a lot like Travis Kelce now. Michael Turner in 2012 was hot garbage. He was fine in 2011, but he was a beast for Ryan early in Ryan's career.
It's fucking insane that you mention Jacquizz Rodgers who has a career 17 game average of 318 yards and 1 TD as some sort of pro for Ryan, that would be like saying Stafford had Theo Riddick as a positive.
Also Harry Douglas? Look at what happened when he left the comfort of Matt Ryan and went to Tennessee, he turned into pure ass.
Rodgers was a 6th/7th option. I’d say he was good in that role early on.
In 2011 turner was one of the best backs in the league and Gonzalez was at worst a top 5 TE. Some of Ryan’s teams were absolutely loaded.
Carp
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LMAO, no he wouldn't. Great Qbs are great QBs, regardless of coach. Stafford was a easily a top 10 QB before coming to the Rams. He's had 2 amazing years in LA and the rest of the time his stats have been on par with what they were in Detroit (honestly a little worse). He still has a great arm even at 38 that allows him to make throws into tight windows.
He is far more talented than Ryan ever was which is why his career didn't go south as he got older. Unlike Ryan who fell off a cliff once his talent faded. It was blatantly obvious Ryan was cooked after 2020. His throws noticeably lacked zip.
Carp
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You keep bringing this up, which is stupid. Douglas was a 1 receiver because of volume in a year where Julio was out for most of the year and Roddy White was clearly in decline. He had 132 targers. I hope to God he could break 1k with that many targets. Ryan Tannehill made Brain Hartline a 2 time 1k yard receiver. I guess Tanne is an amazing QB too.
Calvin Ridley was a no. 1 WR. Ryan didn't make him into anything.
Kupp and Puka are the equivalent of Julian Edelman and Wes Welker. They are talented guys, but they are what they are because of who was throwing them the ball. You wouldn't know either of their names if they were drafted by the Bears or Cardinals or someone like that.
Carp
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You're being unkind to Goff. Goff is way more physically talented than Ryan ever was. But Ryan definitely had the better career (thus far). There's no doubt that Goff has flourished in Detroit though. His last 4 years are probably better than any 4 year stretch that Ryan had.
The idea that Stafford had the weapons that Ryan ever had (up until recently) is laughable. Those Falcon teams were loaded.
Carp
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Yup. Ryan was loaded every single season until the end.
Stafford had Tron and basically no one else until Golden Tate arrived. And they only played together for 2 seasons. Detroit also had garbage rushing games nearly every year Stafford was there. So it was mostly just Calvin Johnson and no one else until Tate showed up. I suppose Brandon Pettigrew was reliable, but he was far from a top tier tight end.
sturg33
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Thats true. Goff has been top 5 in basically every category statistically 4 years straight.