REAL FOOTBALL Thread

Carp said:
Rodgers, Luck, Ryan, and Stafford in that order. After that its a lot more difficult.
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Shockingly, I'd agree for the most part but I'd take Kaepernick and Wilson over Stafford. Stafford's got the talent but I severely question his mental side of the game.

Rodgers you figure has at least 5 years of dominance. Depends on health of course. Luck has the highest attainable ceiling of anyone in the NFL. Ryan is arguably the strongest mental QB after the big 3 (Brees, Peyton and Brady) I take Kaepernick and Wilson because while I don't think they'll be around a long time, when they're around they'll be excellent.
 
Shocking you'd don't understand that you need to have elite physical tools to go along with the mental side. However, one can never develop the physical side unless they are born with it
 
No starting QB in the NFL doesn't have the minimum physical skills. Sure you'd like Rodgers type of ability is what you want. But give me Brees over Vick 10 times out of 10. You also can't teach the mental capacity of an individual. I can't count the number of times I've seen a QB not make it cause they couldn't keep up mentally. It happens all the time. Recently, see Blaine Gabbert, physically excellent, but coudln't put it together mentally. Kaepernick is in his 4th year, if he's still not making multiple reads, then he probably never will.
 
Kap is in his 3rd season and only second full year. He went through his reads beautifully on sunday.

You can teach the mental side more than you can grant someone better physical than they were born with.
 
thethe said:
Kap is in his 3rd season and only second full year. He went through his reads beautifully on sunday.

You can teach the mental side more than you can grant someone better physical than they were born with.
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More sure, but we're talking about guys who all can throw. The difference between say Kaepernick and Alex Smith isn't that massive. All NFL QBs can throw it deep a little, all can more importantly make the necessary intermediate throws. I'll pick on Ryan. Ryan isn't a great deep ball QB. Probably middle of the pack, but he doesn't need to be great at throwing the deep ball. Just needs to flash it to keep safeties honest.
 
zitothebrave said:
More sure, but we're talking about guys who all can throw. The difference between say Kaepernick and Alex Smith isn't that massive. All NFL QBs can throw it deep a little, all can more importantly make the necessary intermediate throws. I'll pick on Ryan. Ryan isn't a great deep ball QB. Probably middle of the pack, but he doesn't need to be great at throwing the deep ball. Just needs to flash it to keep safeties honest.
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The difference between Kap and Smith is massive physically. That is no knock on Smith who is very phsycially gifted himself but Kap is a cyborg like Rodgers, Luck, Stafford, Cam and RG3 (when healthy).
 
I'm talking about arm wise. The difference is not that big. NFL starters have to have the arm strength to make all the throws. It's nice to have someone who can dip deep and throw a beautiful bomb, but I absolutely take someone who's mentally strong across the board. Even Chad Pennington after his shoulder surgeries stuck around as a starter because of what was between his ears.
 
zitothebrave said:
I'm talking about arm wise. The difference is not that big. NFL starters have to have the arm strength to make all the throws. It's nice to have someone who can dip deep and throw a beautiful bomb, but I absolutely take someone who's mentally strong across the board. Even Chad Pennington after his shoulder surgeries stuck around as a starter because of what was between his ears.
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Arm strength is not about throwing a deep ball. Deep balls are all about touch which is why Ryan has success throwing bombs to Julio. Its about putting a ball into tight windows 5-20 yards away. That is what separates the regular QB's from the physically gifted ones.
 
No that has more to do with accuracy and timing. Accuracy has to do with having repeatable mechanics. Ryan fits the ball into tight windows all of the time. Watch the Roddy TD. Armstrength helps, but if you're inaccurate arm strength does **** about that. Timing is important as well as that is what dictates if you actually have a window or not.
 
Luck and Rodger seem to be the consensus and I can't argue with that. Couldn't go wrong with either one. I just take Luck because he's younger.

Moving onto a single running back. Lots of choices out there. McCoy, Charles, and AP. Maybe someone else. Forte perhaps.

I am sure the masses will pick McCoy, but I dislike him as a person and will go with someone else.
 
So let's just take off the pads and give the players flags.

This league has become completely pussified.
 
For RB I'll take either Lacy or McCoy. Probably McCoy. AP is a HOFer but he's old, Charles has had some knocks already. I guess though it would depend on what kind of team I have. If I have a spread offense it's for sure McCoy, if I'm running more of a poundem out offense I would lean Lacy. I guess you'd say it depends on who my WRs are.
 
Homer pick, but I am serious. I take Le'Veon Bell. Perfect running back in this pass happy offense day and age. He's already a top ten running back and it's only year 2. Lacy is a stud too and would be second choice.
 
Back to this TNF game. I always love watching these two teams play. The players change, but the results are usually always the same. A tough hard fought game between two teams who really don't like one another. This has to be the second best rivalry going right now.
 
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