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There will be plenty of room. I don't believe Iupati is in the future plans. He is going to get a massive contract and already turned down an extension. The 49ers will plug in that hole from what is on the roster and through the draft.

I believe they will work out extensions with Kaep/Crab/Boldin/Aldon(maybe not until the following year)/Whitner. They still have a ton of picks and lots of talented young guys who aren't even getting playing time. 49ers are going to be just fine.
 
Its a joke that you are underrating the impact that Rodgers has on that team. Packers win 12 games with him healthy all year. He is so great that he is basically all that team needs to win 8 games a year. If they have any other players (which every team does) they will win plenty more games. Falcons had their injuries this year but they weren't just bad, they were downright awful at times. Sure, they had some close games but losing becomes a familiar feel real quick.

Seahawks will be the top team in the NFC for another 2 years minimum. Its funny that you act like the Falcons have such a great shot next year when there are so many other teams who are more well rounded than them.
 
And then you'd lose both of your starting corners in one offseason? DAFUQ??????

I don't know exactly how carryover works, so I don't usually include it in calculations.

ANyway I try not to worry too much about those carryover, that will probably be used towards Kaepernick's signing bonus.

Also those cut guys you have to debate if you like them or not cause you're really not saving 1M or so cause you ahve to replace them and minimum is like 500K so really you're saving like 3M by cutting those guys. And what the hell is 5M in renegotiations?

That seems like throwing crap at the wall and hoping it sticks. I'm not saying the Niners are in deep **** yet. But like the Falcons had to do this past offseason, the Niners are about to go staring into the barrel of a gun. They can either go for it all next year which is what that poster seems to be building his cap number based on.Or they can start locking down the potential FAs in Kaepernick, Dorsey, Kilgore, Hunter, etc. Which will eat into their cap next year but set them up way better. Falcons positioned themselves long term by not letting Ryan hit FA (holy hell I can only imagine how much mroe he would have gotten after the Cutler deal) Niners would be wise to do the same with Kaepernick this offseason, and not wait to see what Alex Smith and Cam Newton get paid. Niners may luck out since Kaepernick makes so little in 2014 (part of the reason they have so much space) if they work on him they may be able to even have a long term savings If he hits FA I see a 0.1% chance of that happening.

I fully expect the Niners to be smart and work on Kaepernick and Crabtree this offseason which will make them worse next year most likely but it will set them up better for the future. Falcons would have had a better team if they didn't extend Ryan (probably kept Abe and Clabo) but they're now in great shape for the future because of it.
 
Rogers is not an effective CB anymore. The 49ers are going to be targetting CB's in the draft but they will have Brock/Culliver and probably Wright back. They will sign a short term FA like they always do.

49ers big money guys are impact players. That is what seperates them from a lot of other teams. The guys they have paid have performed. You fill in the other areas with draft picks and undervalued free agents.
 
thethe said:
Its a joke that you are underrating the impact that Rodgers has on that team. Packers win 12 games with him healthy all year. He is so great that he is basically all that team needs to win 8 games a year. If they have any other players (which every team does) they will win plenty more games. Falcons had their injuries this year but they weren't just bad, they were downright awful at times. Sure, they had some close games but losing becomes a familiar feel real quick.

Seahawks will be the top team in the NFC for another 2 years minimum. Its funny that you act like the Falcons have such a great shot next year when there are so many other teams who are more well rounded than them.
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As long as Ryan and Julio are healthy the Falcons have a great shot. Falcons could have easily been 5-0 to start the year, lost a bunch of close games that play going one way or the other changes the entire outcome. Falcons as a unit played better when the season got older as well. Defensively they came together better, the LBs seemed to start doing some work later on.

Falcons have a handful of holes, but none of them are hitting FA.

Let's assume the Falcons cut Samuel, De Coud, Snelling, Nicholas restructure Roddy and Bryant to lower their cap hit significantly. Falcons have a handful of FAs, I think they'll keep Babineaux or Peters, maybe both, Maybe they keep Trueblood, Franks and Hawley if they come back for super cheap.

Only Babs and/or Peters is must keep. Rest of the holes (2 OL at least, DT, DE, maybe safety) can be addressed in FA or draft. ANd everyteam will have a hole.

If the Falcons can get say Malcolm Jenkins, Michael Bennett, de la Puenta and Slausen. Which I think they can possibly get all of them and be under budget, add Barr in the draft, DT with the second round pick and the Falcons have some question marks for sure, but they have a solid team across the board. Add some OL depth in the draft and you're looking at a team with a heck of a rotation of DE, solid DTs, a way better interior OL, one of the better safety tandems in the NFL, and youre biggest question at that point is if Bartu and Worrilow are legit. If they aren't then you have a problem there. Aside frm that you have some OT questions, but if Baker is healthy, you have a solid OL. ANd like almost any QB, Ryan handles pressure around him better than in his face.
 
The salary cap is on every team, every team loses player and has changes every year.

Niners arent in awful shape but they'll lose some guys as will every team, and they have a boatload of picks as well.

Even still, having to rely on Rodgers to go down is incredibly wishful thinking.

Prior to this year, he missed ONE game due to injury, he sat out the other since they had HFA locked up.

And yes, barring something insane happening you can pencil in GB/Sea/SF/East winner, with Atl fighting for 2 spots.

Hell, NO/Car could get the final 2 spots and leave Atl out of it.
 
It could hapen. But you cannot pencil in anyone cause insane things happen all of the time. What if Russell Wilson has a terrible season? ANything can happen in a short 16 game sample.
 
Wilson has maybe the best defense in football, they can overcome him playing bad.

They have an awesome run game with Lynch as well.

In this hypothetical scenario.
 
Lynch is starting to get up there for a RB, never know if he can have an injury plagued season. Seriously it's the NFL, you just don't know what will happen. Pretty much everyone had the Texans as a playoff lock. Then all of the sudden Matt Schaub forgot how to play football, Arian FOster is hurt, and they lose several key defenders.

You don't know what will happen in the NFL, every year there's post season turnover. On average there are 5 or 6 new playoff teams every season. 2 years ago it looked like the Saints, Falcons, Packers, Niners, and Lions all looked amazing and like they would repeat their dominance. Then Peyton got suspended as well as several key players, Russell WIlson was drafted in the 3rd round and went bonkers, Adrian Peterson had one of the best years of a running back ever.

You don't know what could happen in the NFL. What if in the second round the Cardinals draft a QB who busts out like WIlson did and they win 10 or 11 games? Rams add Metthews and Clinton-Dix and and a few more upgrades and win 10 or 11 games.

You don't know what can happen in the NFL, but with a good offseason the Falcons can be competitive with any team and tha'ts all that matters.
 
I have no doubt they can be competitive, they arent quite at a SB-level with SF/Sea/GB, even NO/Car as well.
 
Tapate50 said:
It was, but it was also torpedoed by injury. Up front, at LB, and CB.

They had a Falcons like season with injuries on D.
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Injuries were a major factor, no doubt. Losing Melton and then Collins at DT was huge, and then Briggs/Tillman going down didn't help matters. Need to improve at safety and find some sort of pass rush (McClellin has been a bust so far).
 
Heyward said:
I have no doubt they can be competitive, they arent quite at a SB-level with SF/Sea/GB, even NO/Car as well.
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You'll never learn. It's baffling to me that people who follow the NFL year in and year out don't grasp these things, there is nothing certain in the NFL. The only playoff locks in the last 15-20 years has been healthy Peyton and Brady. That has a lot to do with the quality of their divisions though. Both the AFC East and AFC South have been generally weak divisions during those 2 tenures. Sure there are sometimes a good 2nd team, but typically it's Pats, then one good 2 and 2 miserable teams. Same thing with the Colts. Even then though Peyton did miss the playoffs while healthy one year same with the Pats and Brady so it's not an absolute rule. The NFL is 100% full of uncertainties. For that reason you can't pencil in anyone. It's not baseball where there's a large sample and you can say these teams will be winners barring catastrophic injury. For example the Braves, Cardinals, Nats, and Dodgers will be in the playoff hunt barring something freak happening. IN the NFL you can have the ball not bounce your way a few times and you're all of the sudden 8-8 and sitting at home.

If you want to argue that those are the most likely teams to be back, that's fine, but you cannot pencil someone in when on average half the teams that are in the playoffs are new. Sure you can guess who's likely to return to the playoffs next year, my guess is Pats, Colts, Broncos, Bengals, Eagles, Packers, Panthers, Seahawks.Sur eyou can guess some teams will get in and others won't but you won't know, I wouldn't say those 8 teams will be in the playoffs, bank it. Cause you don't know. Injuries happen, bad seasons happen, bad luck happens. Sometimes all of them happen at once (hello Falcons 2013) you just don't know in the modern NFL. It's not like the NBA or MLB, there's parity in the NFL. Only thing I'd bank on in the NFL is Belichick making the playoffs, cause he's an amazing coach, and coaches generally don't fluctuate.
 
Zito is actually very right here. Its like making a Braves lineup 2 years out. it almost never works out like whatever you put on paper. There is almost 50% turnover for playoff teams every year. Some go from zero to hero, some go the other way. It happens.
 
I'm not a gambling man but I would feel pretty confident in betting that all three SEA/SF/GB make the playoffs next year.
 
CrimsonCowboy's playoffs picks:

NFC:
Wild Card Round: Eagles over Saints, Packers over 49ers
Divisional Round: Panthers over Eagles, Seahawks over Packers
NFC Championship: Seahawks over Panthers

AFC:
Wild Card Round: Colts over Chiefs, Chargers over Bengals
Divisional Round: Broncos over Colts, Patriots over Chargers
AFC Championship: Patriots over Broncos

Super Bowl: Seahawks over Patriots
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
CrimsonCowboy's playoffs picks:

NFC:
Wild Card Round: Eagles over Saints, Packers over 49ers
Divisional Round: Panthers over Eagles, Seahawks over Packers
NFC Championship: Seahawks over Panthers

AFC:
Wild Card Round: Colts over Chiefs, Chargers over Bengals
Divisional Round: Broncos over Colts, Patriots over Chargers
AFC Championship: Patriots over Broncos

Super Bowl: Seahawks over Patriots
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I would generally agree with that but I'll divert a little

WInners

Wild Card - Eagles, Packers, Bengals, Chiefs
Division - Seahawks, Eagles, Broncos, Pats
Converence Seahawks, Pats
Superbowl Seahawks
 
Philly, GB, Cinci, KC this weekend
Denver, NE, Philly, Sea next weekend
Denver and Sea in SB

Out on a ledge SB - Philly vs SD
 
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