Singular system QB
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Singular system QB
Heyward
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I'd go the same, but have Big Ben.......
NinersSBChamps
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I didn't say they are doomed. However missing out on the playoffs could happen and I am reserved to that. Windows in the NFL aren't open for very long and the 49ers aren't any different. Seattle is head and shoulders better than this 49ers team with all the question marks at receiver.
zitothebrave
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You got a thanks and a rep. That **** is gold.
zitothebrave
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Rapelisberger used to be great, but he's going on the other side of 30 and there are health questions with him.
Heyward
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Brees>>>>
Heyward
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The only reason i won't completely bash you on the miss playoffs part is because the NFC is so stacked. I wouldn't bet on it, but nothing surprises me in sports anymore.
There are like 8-10 teams who SHOULD make the playoffs from the NFC, but obviously that won't happen.
As far as the Niners "window", eh, i agree teams have windows to win and you gotta take advantage of it. But not like the Niners are old, a lot of their players are entering it's prime or at the peak so they got time.
I disagree Seattle is head and shoulders better but Seattle has one hell of a squad, and if they get HFA, it's gonna be tough for anyone else to make it out of the NFC. They are pretty much unstoppable/unbeatable at home. Niners are better at certain areas, vice versa with Seattle.
Boldin/Williams/Manningham/Jenkins/Patton isn't atrocious, we'll see how good Kap really is though. And still have a top-3 TE in Davis and a great OL/running game.
zitothebrave
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NFC doesn't really have a weak team. They have 4 teams who should be elite - Niners, Seachickens, Packers, and Falcons, Then a slew of teams who should be in the playoff mix, Rams, Saints, Panthers, Vikings, Bears, Lions, Redskins, Cowboys, and Giants. Even the teams left off could surprise, If the Eagles get a healthy season out of Vick who knows, if the Bucs luck into a ton of wins who knows, if the Cardinals get miracle production from Palmer, who knows. I don't think there's truly a can of corn team on paper in the NFC. Eagles are the weakest and who knows with them. Injuries will be the great equalizer in the end.
Heyward
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Prior to getting hurt, he was having arguably his best season yet, soooooooo...
I do agree i don't see him aging well however.
Heyward
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Pretty much, but technically 5 since a division winner from the East.
And i'd say Cardinals are the worst, but i like some of the moves they made.
Eagles still have some nice pieces in place.
zitothebrave
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2010 was his best season. He had like 65 less yards than in 2012 but on like 50 less attempts. But his 30 year old season by the rate stats wasn't as good as Ryan's 27 year old season. So I have to give the edge to the guy who's 3 years younger and looked much better most of last season.
I Know someone who had better rate stats than Ryan last year and was even younger!
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
It's plenty strong enough to get the job done. Who cares that it's not in the Aaron Rodgers/Matthew Stafford/Joe Flacco, ect. class? It's in the Peyton Manning/Drew Brees ect. class and that's plenty strong enough.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
This really has nothing to do with nothing but I posted it on another board and felt like posting it here. Basically I was trying to make the point that WR's are just as important as the QB in which one benefits more from the other.
People talk about what Brady has done with nobody to throw the ball to but it wasn't until he got Randy Moss in 2007 that he started putting up all world numbers and since then he's always had a 1 or 2 stud players to throw the ball to. Go back and look at Brady's numbers pre 2007. They were ok but nothing special.
2001 - 264/413 (63.9%), 2843 YDS (6.9), 18 TD, 12 INT - 86.5 QB Rating
2002 - 373/601 (62.1%), 3764 YDS (6.3), 28 TD, 14 INT - 85.7 QB Rating
2003 - 317/527 (60.2%), 3620 YDS (6.7), 23 TD, 12 INT - 85.9 QB Rating
2004 - 288/474 (60.8%), 3692 YDS (7.8), 28 TD, 14 INT - 92.6 QB Rating
2005 - 334/530 (63.0%), 4110 YDS (7.8), 26 TD, 14 INT - 92.3 QB Rating
2006 - 319/516 (61.8%), 3529 YDS (6.7), 24 TD, 12 INT - 87.9 QB Rating
Now look at 2007 with an elite weapon like Randy Moss
2007 - 398/578 (68.9%), 4806 YDS (9.4), 50 TD, 8 INT - 117.2 QB Rating
You can't tell me Randy Moss wasn't the reason Tom Brady went from good QB to elite QB. Even with Randy Moss still around Brady's numbers came back down to earth in 2009.
2009 - 371/565 (65.7%), 4398 YDS (7.8), 28 TD, 13 INT - 96.2 QB Rating
Since 2010 Brady has put up elite numbers and that was the first year he had Aaron Hernandez, Rob Gronkowski and Wes Welker all together.
People talk about what Brady has done with nobody to throw the ball to but it wasn't until he got Randy Moss in 2007 that he started putting up all world numbers and since then he's always had a 1 or 2 stud players to throw the ball to. Go back and look at Brady's numbers pre 2007. They were ok but nothing special.
2001 - 264/413 (63.9%), 2843 YDS (6.9), 18 TD, 12 INT - 86.5 QB Rating
2002 - 373/601 (62.1%), 3764 YDS (6.3), 28 TD, 14 INT - 85.7 QB Rating
2003 - 317/527 (60.2%), 3620 YDS (6.7), 23 TD, 12 INT - 85.9 QB Rating
2004 - 288/474 (60.8%), 3692 YDS (7.8), 28 TD, 14 INT - 92.6 QB Rating
2005 - 334/530 (63.0%), 4110 YDS (7.8), 26 TD, 14 INT - 92.3 QB Rating
2006 - 319/516 (61.8%), 3529 YDS (6.7), 24 TD, 12 INT - 87.9 QB Rating
Now look at 2007 with an elite weapon like Randy Moss
2007 - 398/578 (68.9%), 4806 YDS (9.4), 50 TD, 8 INT - 117.2 QB Rating
You can't tell me Randy Moss wasn't the reason Tom Brady went from good QB to elite QB. Even with Randy Moss still around Brady's numbers came back down to earth in 2009.
2009 - 371/565 (65.7%), 4398 YDS (7.8), 28 TD, 13 INT - 96.2 QB Rating
Since 2010 Brady has put up elite numbers and that was the first year he had Aaron Hernandez, Rob Gronkowski and Wes Welker all together.
There is the rare receiver though That falls under that mode. Obviously MOss in his prime is that. Calvin is that. Julio is that. AJ Green is that. I think Crabtree was getting there.
But for the most part its the QB that makes the wide receivers. You have to put the ball on the receiver in a good spot in most situations and guys like Brady do that consistently.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
And played a total of half a season in a gimmick offense.
They took the field in the post season and Ryan was the better QB, posting better passing stats against 2 of the 3 best defenses in the NFL while Kaepernick played a miserable one and 2 average ones.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
You have to remember QB stats looked much different back then. Also you honestly don't know how much of Gronk and Welker's success was the system they were in which is essentially Brady's system. Welker did dick for the Phins. He'll probably be fine in Denver since Peyton is amazing though.
2004-2006 Brady was one of the 5 best QBs in the NFL with no weapons. Obviously he's much better with weapons, everyone is much better with weapons, but you cannot deny his greatness.
This year is going to be a fun year. It would have been horrible on scout because everything would have been censured. I can't wait till you admit how good Kaep is!
And, if you payed attention, the 49ers defense was horrible after the Smith's got hurt.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The same 49ers D that held Aaron ROdgers playing from behind to 250 yards.
You can admit it that Ryan shredded your vaunted defense, he did it against the Seachickens as well. though not to the same degree (wasn't as necessary)