striker42
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The defense is a franchise pass rusher away from being special. They have several good pass rushers but they need that dominant one.
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The defense is a franchise pass rusher away from being special. They have several good pass rushers but they need that dominant one.
Among qualified QBs Mariota was 13th in QBR, 21st in QB rating, DVOA 20th. So not good, but also not terrible.
zitothebrave
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I would consider bottom 1/3 to be bottom of the league.
zitothebrave
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Yeah, can you imagine a Myles Garrett or Micah Parsons type leading the defense.
zbhargrove
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I don't know if he will end up being considered "dominant" but Kaden Elliss is going to put up some sack numbers this year
Mariota is/was a damn sight better than the Zack Wilson's, Matt Ryan's, and Carson Wentz's of the NFL, who were clear bottom tier QBs in 2022. There is a rather obvious tier between those type of QBs and what Mariota was last year. Mariota was more or less on the same level as Derek Carr, who just got a big contract from NO. Maybe even Tannehill too. Again, that isn't anything special, but it's enough to win you 8-10 games with a solid defense and running game.
zitothebrave
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Saints overpaying for Derek Carr has nothing to do with the quality of Mariota. Giants spent way too much money on Danny Dimes, I'd rather not hold bad contracts as the standard to if someone is good or not.
cajunrevenge
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Carr is like the 13th highest paid QB.
zitothebrave
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And except for Danny Dimes, and maybe Kyler everyone above him should be paid.
QBs making more than him are
Burrow
Mahomes
Herbert (debateable of course, but he's done well overall)
Lamar
Hurts
Wilson
Watson
Kyler
Allen
Jones
Stafford
Dak
He's making as much as Rodgers (who did take a pay cut) and more than Cousins, Goff, Geno and Jimmy G. And all of them except Goff just signed recently.
zitothebrave
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NFL should just put flags on QBs. This is a perfect form tackle no contact with the helmet, not going low, and it's flagged. It's like you're only allowed to arm tackle a QB. Which isn't gonna help you if that QB has any amoutn of strength or elusiveness.
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The rules are stupid but clear on putting your weight on top of taking the QB down. Seems pretty cut and dry to me based on the rules. In reality that should be a fine football hit.
Heyward
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They werent high enough to pick a top tier QB, and the other options werent the best. I think they can get out of the deal after the 2nd year of it.
That's pretty clear roughing the QB based on the new rules. Came down on him with all his weight.
There have been some truly terrible roughing the QB calls recently, but this isn't one of them.
Yup. I mean I know Daniel Jones played decent last year. But it's quote obvious at this point that he's a mediocre QB. Now they are stuck with Jones a minimum of 2 years. And even then, they have to eat 18 million just to be rid of him after 2024, which seems fairly unlikely, imo unless he's really terrible.
I always said they would have been better off tagging Jones and paying Saquon. Literally could have paid Saquon a fraction of Jones' salary guaranteed him maybe 30 million over the next 2 years and see if Jones could replicate his 2022 season. Yes the cap hit is more with Jones on a tag, but you also aren't attaching yourself to a potentially bad QB for 80-110 million over the next 3 years. In the event Jones is bad again in 2023 (which looks the case through 3 weeks), then you're probably looking at a top 15 pick at minimum to draft a QB. Or trade for Kirk Cousins/Matt Stafford at the end of the year as well as draft a future QB. Either way, paying Daniel Jones was clearly a bad move.
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chop2chip
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Jettisoned? Mariota literally stopped showing up when he got benched for Ridder.
He elected knee surgery after he was told they were making a change at QB. I guess jettisoned isn't the right word. But they moved on from him regardless.
chop2chip
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Oh believe me I saw how his agent spun it after the fact. But everyone with the Falcons saw it as him quitting on the team because they moved on from him.