Republican National Convention

So I fell asleep around 7 when it started raining. Woke up to this sh-- storm. Oh boy what entertainment.

I always knew Ted was a snake, but man oh man. Finally a lot of the cons in that room who thought Cruz was this honest principled man, see how self-centered and awful he is.
 
This is sooo beautiful. Im loving this Republican National KKKonvention. I want more drama. Trump better bring it tomorrow. Continue to put the nails in the Republican coffin.

Go boy!!!!
 
Runnin said:
There were a lot of people clapping when Cruz said to vote your conscience. I think even a lot of the people chanting "Endorse Trump" were just doing it for the theater of it.

It's a mob mentality in that room.
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I've only worked floors (long past) in local and state level conventions and it is mob mentality at work. Only difference here is that national conventions now amount to little more than coronations, which makes a speech like Cruz's all the more notable.

Cruz is taking a calculated gamble. First, he has to assume that his brand of conservatism is ascendant like it was for Reagan in the late-1970s. I think Trump won because a lot of Republicans--including self-identified evangelicals--are tired of the attempt to turn the secular dais into a political pulpit. Then, he almost has to assume a Hillary victory (there must be something in the deep numbers that indicate that as being more likely than what most national polls are saying). If Hillary doesn't win, I suppose he could fight Trump in the way Republicans resisted Ventura (Jesse not Randy) up here in Minnesota during his tenure as Governor, but I don't think that would be a workable strategy because it would drive his negatives up. But the crux of the risk is that if Hillary wins, Trump is going to blame Cruz and that might stick. One of America's greatest leaders--Henry Clay--said (and I paraphrase): "I'd rather be right than be President." Of course, he never became President.

Bedell, I get what you're saying about Cruz choosing family over politics, but from my many years of observation, if any politician gave a rip about his/her family, they'd never go into politics in the first place. The demands of office have only gotten more heavy during my 40 years of watching and participating in the process. The price is extremely high on families.

Interesting times. I can't believe Hillary is trotting boring white guys out as possible VP picks.
 
Julio3000 said:
I think Occam's Razor applies here. Cruz wants to be president, and gambled that the upside of holding his nose and endorsing Trump offered him less upside than going his own way and positioning himself as the standard-bearer for 2020. The subtext is that he not only expects Trump to lose, but figures that the party will be anxious to sweep all things Trump under the rug in the future. As much as he casts himself as an outsider, he appears to be trying to stitch together the traditional R coalition, with some lip service to the populism of the hour.
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He didn't have to endorse him though. He could have just said essentially that he was going to hold his nose and vote for Trump to beat Hillary. He could have Bernie'd it. To me the Occam's razor that applies here is that Cruz actually really is a constitutional conservative who has trouble voting for someone like Trump for personal and principled reasons.
 
Forever Fredi said:
So I fell asleep around 7 when it started raining. Woke up to this sh-- storm. Oh boy what entertainment.

I always knew Ted was a snake, but man oh man. Finally a lot of the cons in that room who thought Cruz was this honest principled man, see how self-centered and awful he is.
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I woke up thinking the exact opposite.
 
weso1 said:
He didn't have to endorse him though. He could have just said essentially that he was going to hold his nose and vote for Trump to beat Hillary. He could have Bernie'd it. To me the Occam's razor that applies here is that Cruz actually really is a constitutional conservative who has trouble voting for someone like Trump for personal and principled reasons.
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And the cynic in me says Ted is just trying to play the hand he has been dealt to his advantage. I'll grant that Cruz is slightly more principled than Trump, which isn't saying much.
 
50PoundHead said:
And the cynic in me says Ted is just trying to play the hand he has been dealt to his advantage. I'll grant that Cruz is slightly more principled than Trump, which isn't saying much.
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Wat? Cruz is a million times more principled than Trump. Trump changes his positions more than... well... he changes his positions a lot.
 
Forever Fredi said:
So I fell asleep around 7 when it started raining. Woke up to this sh-- storm. Oh boy what entertainment.

I always knew Ted was a snake, but man oh man. Finally a lot of the cons in that room who thought Cruz was this honest principled man, see how self-centered and awful he is.
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I'm not sure you understand what happened there
 
BedellBrave said:
I'm not a Cruz fan. I am a fan of a man who would stand by his family over party. Trump is a dangerous arseclown in a dangerous world and his idiocy will costs lives. I want no part of him. If that means Hillary is president well so be it. Happy to say now about the R convention., "not my circus not my monkeys."
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It's liberating holding your head high and saying "I'm not going to participate in this nonsense", isn't it?
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
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Ted, get over it. It's time to get behind the nominee, or else you'll be doing you're part in helping Hillary win.
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Seriously? After all the bitching you did about Trump, you're going to fall in line?

All that tells me is that you will vote for (R) no matter who it is.

Sad
 
I'm starting to go for the conspiracy theory that Trump is in cahoots with Hilary... just too much ridiculousness to be taken seriously
 
50PoundHead said:
I don't find Cruz to be genuine at all. A million times zero is zero, so I don't think you're giving your guy much credit.
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Yeah I've long felt this way about Rafael and I think that hurts weso's feelings but that really isn't my intent, I just see this guy being exactly like Martin Sheen's character in the movie Dead Zone.
 
Isn't it ironic and more than a little scary how 10 of us can see/hear the same thing and come up with at least 5 or 6 (minimum) totally different angles on it? I get the feeling that some old thing I always say about people only believing the same stuff they believed before said "new performance" but I would digress. Anyway I saw this on a friend's Facebook and thought I would "borrow" it, since it definitely goes along with my philosophy (and more and more of you guys' too)

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sturg33 said:
I'm not sure you understand what happened there
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I do understand.

Cruz was getting payback, and he was also trying to set himself up for 2020.

I never understood where Cruz gets this "libertarian" love. His primary opponents labeled him as one to try and make him not look like a conservative, and for some reason people think he is this strict-constitutionalist.

The guy is a neo-con on steroids.

If you think what he did last night was some heroic thing of courage, you're just as stupid as the people you always claim are sheep.
 
sturg33 said:
Seriously? After all the bitching you did about Trump, you're going to fall in line?

All that tells me is that you will vote for (R) no matter who it is.

Sad
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Considering what Trump offered Kasich, the Veep title is probably more important than ever.

Trump Jr. apparently offered it to Kasich and told him he'd be in charge of foreign and domestic policy.

Trump denies this ever happened. So more musical chairs.
 
Oklahomahawk said:
Yeah I've long felt this way about Rafael and I think that hurts weso's feelings but that really isn't my intent, I just see this guy being exactly like Martin Sheen's character in the movie Dead Zone.
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I just see Elmer Gantry. Bedell's a man of the cloth and if he thinks I'm headed to hell, I'll take it with a shaker full of salt. If Cruz wants to send me there, nary a grain will enter my mind.
 
50PoundHead said:
I just see Elmer Gantry. Bedell's a man of the cloth and if he thinks I'm headed to hell, I'll take it with a shaker full of salt. If Cruz wants to send me there, nary a grain will enter my mind.
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Elmer Gantry is another example I've used on Rafael. And I agree about Beds, he and I don't always agree on stuff but I always respect his opinion, especially on spiritual matters.
 
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