Rethinking Policing

We've asked teachers for decades and all we get is a worse system.

Hell, today's teachers refuse to do their job bc they are laziest most entitled profession in the country.

I suspect asking cops how to reform cops won't yield the result the reformers want either
 
striker42 said:
The number 1 reform I'd implement is funding police through actual appropriations and not through fines and civil forfeitures. Currently, police departments are financially motivated to have as many interactions with people as possible. The more contact you make the more people you'll find driving drunk, possessing small amounts of drugs, having large amounts of unexplained cash on them, etc. All of this leads to more money for the police.

This also leads to police out there spending their time looking for absolutely stupid things. Why are we spending so much police time writing tickets for incredibly minor traffic offenses? Why are we pulling so many people over for expired tags or illegal window tint? Aren't there better uses of police time?

The more contacts police have with traffic stops, stop and frisks, etc, the more times you have an interaction escalate and a tragedy result. If you take away the financial motives police have to initiate these contacts, you'll see a drop in police shootings.
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I agree with you completely about that. Between that civil forfeitures and privatized prisons we’ve created a monster.
 
sturg33 said:
We've asked teachers for decades and all we get is a worse system.

Hell, today's teachers refuse to do their job bc they are laziest most entitled profession in the country.

I suspect asking cops how to reform cops won't yield the result the reformers want either
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Ironically you never asked me.
 
Are we going to get a response on how someone can think welfare has been getting smaller?

Can they use another fancy French word while they are at it?
 
Oklahomahawk said:
I know we have gone to the place where those with actual experience in something are the last ones we ask questions and needed reforms, ie teachers are the last ones to ask about education reform.

So, how about we look for our friend Toma4life, since he's an actual law enforcement person, with actual real world law enforcement experience, perhaps he might have some good suggestions.

Thoughts?
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There’s been a few Tomas over the years. Who was the Toma on the old board who used to talk **** to Bill? I remember him getting banned a few times. Tomahawk74 was it?
 
sturg33 said:
Wait you think funding for social welfare programs has gotten worse since the 60s?
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Lol, that's not what I said. Dunno how you could deny that Reps have been trying to destroy the "Great Society" since it's inception.

But even then it depends on the program. Republicans haven't been able to destroy Social Security, for example, because it is so wildly popular (But Bush II tried). On the other hand, the boomers who love SS and Medicare don't given a crap about poor families ("welfare queens") so when the Reps finally got Congress in the 90s they killed AFDC and implemented ****tier and cheaper welfare-to-work programs in it's place (with Clinton's complicity), resulting in tons of people kicked out of the program. But the death of the program had been going on for a long time.

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Indigent legal services are a basically perpetually on the chopping block. Basically, welfare for old people costs a ton and is political poison to mess with. Assistance for just regular poor people? Much easier to mess with and it's something we've really back away from over time.
 
Funding for welfare programs is at all time highs.

Acting like, 'well garsh, if we just gave it a little more all would be great!' is a really stupid position

Incentivizing bad habits and poor behavior doesn't solve problems. It exasperates them
 
As expected only one person actually proposed anything that would reduce criminality. The left has this weird convincing that throwing money at a problem makes it go away.

‘Fixing’ policing without treating the true illness does nothing. We have seen direct correlations of reduced police presence and increased criminality.

What goes on in your giys minds that makes you think this is smart?
 
57Brave said:
Been reading of alternative policing methods

1) more use of technology in traffic policing
2) first responder being a psychological units for domestic issues
3) drastically limiting the scope of armed policing
4) more and better use of walking patrols
5) accountability
6) stricter entrance requirements
7) public / civic leadership
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/...l?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

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The history of policing is more and more becoming a "thing"
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as much as I abhor requoting myself


The title of the thread is Rethinking Policing.
Methods of policing
Not why welfare is bad, or why teachers are the devil or even why only black people seem to get randomly shot by police

None of these suggestions involve more funding only a reallocation/reorganization of funds.
 
The concept of rethinking police is a diversion tactic and giving it even 10% of the airtime to the real problem of criminality is giving it too much.

A rethought police or whatever bull**** focus group title the democrat party comes up with will only increase criminality.

Then it will be time to give another excuse for your awful policy platform.
 
Krgrecw said:
There’s been a few Tomas over the years. Who was the Toma on the old board who used to talk **** to Bill? I remember him getting banned a few times. Tomahawk74 was it?
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No, it isn't that one. You're right about him. I liked him but he basically lived to stir up "stuff". The one I'm talking about now was/is Tomahawking4Life or something pretty close to that. I think he would have some good input since he has lots of experience in the field and in different areas of it.
 
Oklahomahawk said:
No, it isn't that one. You're right about him. I liked him but he basically lived to stir up "stuff". The one I'm talking about now was/is Tomahawking4Life or something pretty close to that. I think he would have some good input since he has lots of experience in the field and in different areas of it.
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Toma4life might be the guy Sav banned as soon as Trump won election. There was a toma that talked **** in here once trump won, but he got mysteriously banned
 
sturg33 said:
Funding for welfare programs is at all time highs.

Acting like, 'well garsh, if we just gave it a little more all would be great!' is a really stupid position

Incentivizing bad habits and poor behavior doesn't solve problems. It exasperates them
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Excellent non response to what I said. It's like you are talking from your brain stem.
 
thethe said:
As expected only one person actually proposed anything that would reduce criminality. The left has this weird convincing that throwing money at a problem makes it go away.

‘Fixing’ policing without treating the true illness does nothing. We have seen direct correlations of reduced police presence and increased criminality.

What goes on in your giys minds that makes you think this is smart?
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Which side wants to throw money at policing?
 
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