Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

your mention of the 50's. The days of Joseph McCarthy and Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. Bomb shelters. We had a bomb shelter in our basement when I was young. I participated in Air Raid Drills where we hid under our desks to protect us from nuclear fallout.

No doubt Russia is not new to this, However, we have never uncovered anything at this level. Even if all that is true is what has already been copped a plea to or found guilty.
The people that clamor for the days and wave Dont Tread On Me and all --- in those days, Trump would be shot.


No news available from anywhere or written by anyone is pure as driven snow. It is naive to think otherwise or complain about slanted news or propaganda.

Let me thank "we" for supplying reading material I wouldn't normally take the time to search out. Because I do read most of it.
I think it is crap but, I read it
 
that's a function of the explosion in social media. The government can't control the information we see and it scares the **** out of them. The US government hasn't had any problems pushing fake news to manipulate public opinion. Used to be done with newspapers. Now it's Facebook and Twitter.



If we seriously want this to end maybe we need a meme treaty. We can't influence other nations elections and then get down when it happens to us. We need an international treaty against memes of mass destruction.
 
Hawk said:
At the hearing, Ellis sharply questioned the motives of prosecutors. “You don’t really care about Mr. Manafort’s bank fraud,” Ellis said, adding: “You really care about what information Mr. Manafort can give you that would reflect on Mr. Trump or lead to his prosecution or impeachment or whatever.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-full-memo-explaining-basis-for-manafort-case
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Extremely irresponsible, insignificant and political comment for a judge to say, especially 'on the record'. It's a sour grapes opinion. Someone needs to explain Law Enforcement 101 to him again. All crimes by Manafort, Cohen or ANYONE else should be, indeed, must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law irregardless of any political fallout. That "no one is above the law" may not be a truism but it is at least still an ideal.
 
Three months before the 2016 election, a small group gathered at Trump Tower to meet with Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son. One was an Israeli specialist in social media manipulation. Another was an emissary for two wealthy Arab princes. The third was a Republican donor with a controversial past in the Middle East as a private security contractor.

The meeting was convened primarily to offer help to the Trump team, and it forged relationships between the men and Trump insiders that would develop over the coming months — past the election and well into President Trump’s first year in office, according to several people with knowledge of their encounters.

Erik Prince, the private security contractor and the former head of Blackwater, arranged the meeting, which took place on Aug. 3, 2016. The emissary, George Nader, told Donald Trump Jr. that the crown princes who led Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were eager to help his father win election as president. The social media specialist, Joel Zamel, extolled his company’s ability to give an edge to a political campaign; by that time, the firm had already drawn up a multimillion-dollar proposal for a social media manipulation effort to help elect Mr. Trump.
 
It is unclear whether such a proposal was executed, and the details of who commissioned it remain in dispute. But Donald Trump Jr. responded approvingly, according to a person with knowledge of the meeting, and after those initial offers of help, Mr. Nader was quickly embraced as a close ally by Trump campaign advisers — meeting frequently with Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, and Michael T. Flynn, who became the president’s first national security adviser. At the time, Mr. Nader was also promoting a secret plan to use private contractors to destabilize Iran, the regional nemesis of Saudi Arabia and the Emirates.

After Mr. Trump was elected, Mr. Nader paid Mr. Zamel a large sum of money, described by one associate as up to $2 million. There are conflicting accounts of the reason for the payment, but among other things, a company linked to Mr. Zamel provided Mr. Nader with an elaborate presentation about the significance of social media campaigning to Mr. Trump’s victory.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
 
Mr. Nader is cooperating with the inquiry, and investigators have questioned numerous witnesses in Washington, New York, Atlanta, Tel Aviv and elsewhere about what foreign help may have been pledged or accepted, and about whether any such assistance was coordinated with Russia, according to witnesses and others with knowledge of the interviews.

Atlanta?
 
yes, I totally believe the Saudis did not want Clinton to win. For a campaign that was so obviously doomed from the start and polling historically bad there seems to be a whole lot of people willing to invest money in a losing campaign who had no power whatsoever if he lost. Most accounts I have heard is that even Donald was surprised he won.
 
It is illegal for foreign governments or individuals to be involved in American elections, and it is unclear what — if any — direct assistance Saudi Arabia and the Emirates may have provided. But two people familiar with the meetings said that Trump campaign officials did not appear bothered by the idea of cooperation with foreigners.

A lawyer for Donald Trump Jr., Alan Futerfas, said in a statement that “prior to the 2016 election, Donald Trump Jr. recalls a meeting with Erik Prince, George Nader and another individual who may be Joel Zamel. They pitched Mr. Trump Jr. on a social media platform or marketing strategy. He was not interested and that was the end of it.”

A lawyer for Mr. Zamel denied that his client had carried out any campaign on Mr. Trump’s behalf. “Neither Joel Zamel, nor any of his related entities, had any involvement whatsoever in the U.S. election campaign,” said the lawyer, Marc L. Mukasey.

Kathryn Ruemmler, a lawyer for Mr. Nader, said, “Mr. Nader has fully cooperated with the special counsel’s investigation and will continue to do so.” A senior official in Saudi Arabia said it had never employed Mr. Nader in any capacity or authorized him to speak for the crown prince.

Mr. Prince, through a spokesman, declined to comment.
 
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cajunrevenge said:
yes, I totally believe the Saudis did not want Clinton to win. For a campaign that was so obviously doomed from the start and polling historically bad there seems to be a whole lot of people willing to invest money in a losing campaign who had no power whatsoever if he lost. Most accounts I have heard is that even Donald was surprised he won.
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The Saudis, Qataris, Kuwaitis and Emiratis are all preeminently pragmatic people. And they have the wealth to place bets on as many horses as they want. The problem for all parties involved (and this may include the Democrats and Clinton) is that there are legal restrictions on political aid that they can accept from foreign entities. And of course restrictions on the back end of any quid pro quo.
 
thethe said:
Quick...people are realizing that Russia collusion was a hoax. On to the next
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target rich environment

collusion/collaboration is a thing

but there is so much more

and there being so much more in no way affects the fact that collusion/collaboration is a thing

you are free to continue averting your gaze
 
nsacpi said:
target rich environment

collusion/collaboration is a thing

but there is so much more

and there being so much more in no way affects the fact that collusion/collaboration is a thing

you are free to continue averting your gaze
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I'm just seeing a pattern of Obamas team setting up the opposition party.

All your examples of collusion are speculation at best.
 
Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan of Abu Dhabi, the de facto ruler of the United Arab Emirates, and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia, the king’s main adviser, had long opposed many of the Obama administration’s policies toward the Middle East. They resented President Barack Obama’s agreement with Iran over its nuclear program, his statements of support for the Arab Spring uprisings and his hands-off approach to the Syrian civil war.

News outlets linked to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates fiercely criticized Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Trump’s Democratic opponent, when she was secretary of state, and diplomats familiar with their thinking say both crown princes hoped for a president who would take a stronger hand in the region against both Iran and groups like the Muslim Brotherhood.
Mr. Nader had worked for years as a close adviser to Crown Prince Mohammed of Abu Dhabi, and Mr. Zamel had worked for the Emirati royal court as a consultant as well.

When Mr. Trump locked up the Republican presidential nomination in early 2016, Mr. Nader began making inquiries on behalf of the Emirati prince about possible ways to directly support Mr. Trump, according to three people with whom Mr. Nader discussed his efforts.

Mr. Nader also visited Moscow at least twice during the presidential campaign as a confidential emissary from Crown Prince Mohammed of Abu Dhabi, according to people familiar with his travels. After the election, he worked with the crown prince to arrange a meeting in the Seychelles between Mr. Prince and a financier close to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

Companies connected to Mr. Zamel also have ties to Russia. One of his firms had previously worked for oligarchs linked to Mr. Putin, including Oleg V. Deripaska and Dmitry Rybolovlev, who hired the firm for online campaigns against their business rivals.
 
yeah this whole scandal is dying. people are tired if it. Trumps done a million things everyone else would have been ousted for.because he is unapologetic about everything. Doesn't even matter if there was some illegal **** going down. It might just backfire like the Republicans attempt to impeach Bill Clinton. I feel like something very significant is going to happen before the 2020 election that is going to dramatically change the political landscape. I can only imagine the hysteria that would happen if there was a real major Islamic terrorist attack under Trump. History says that would cause a nationalist wave of support like after 9/11 but I don't think that would be the case this time. Trump is the last person who needs that kind of support. Worst part to me is I don't trust the government not to fake it. Seems like there's a lot of resistance within the government and I always love transparency so let there be leaks wether it's Republican, Democrat, or Libertarian. If my guy isn't honest so want to know. If Trump lasts 8 years I wonder why kind of shady people he might have in important positions that are effectively yes men. People focus on Trump asking Comey for total loyalty but the real question is who did he ask that accepted. I bet Sessions did. That's why Trump acts so betrayed. Why he says he had no idea Sessions would recuse himself.
 
thethe said:
The pivot to the UAE says it all.

You all were taken. Just recognize it and move on.
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looks like they sought and accepted help from both Russians and Arabs...with the odd Israeli tossed in...so what did all those foreign helpers get in return
 
nsacpi said:
looks like they sought and accepted help from both Russians and Arabs...with the odd Israeli tossed in...so what did all those foreign helpers get in return
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I'm sure no other candidate in recent memory has had discussions with foreign entities. Never before....
 
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