Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

Julio3000 said:
My read on Flynn is that he attached himself to Trump because he thought it would be an expedient way to get paid, gain power, and work the system. He seemed like a potent mix of ego, rapacity, and grievance. He thought that he could manipulate Trump, be a power behind the scenes, avenge himself on the establishment that ****canned him, and make bank in the process.

The fact that this Gulen plot reportedly made it past the spitballing stage is nearly incredible--not to mention appalling--and would be front page news in a sane world. In retrospect it's not surprising that he was angling for immunity months ago ("General Flynn has a story to tell," said his attorney). If his crime was limited to allegedly lying to investigators about his conversation with the Russian Ambassador, seems like he'd be content to brazen it out.
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people who knew Flynn from 10 years ago are shocked at what he morphed into....not the same guy
 
Let's take a step back up from the ridiculous conspiracy-mongering and agree that it was likely just a forbidden scroll, and not Sumerian reptile blood.
 
Julio3000 said:
Let's take a step back up from the ridiculous conspiracy-mongering and agree that it was likely just a forbidden scroll, and not Sumerian reptile blood.
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I'll go back and take a new look at the Epic of Gilgamesh and get back to you on that.
 
How Robert Mueller Works a Case

I would be greatly surprised if Papadopoulos is the only person who’s been cooperating with Mueller. Knowing the way we worked all these other very sophisticated cases for him, he potentially has other informants. And when the people who may be cooperating with the investigation start consensually recording conversations, it’s all over.

That’s why Bob Mueller’s going about this in the way that he is. He knows these guys are not seasoned criminals. And he knows they’re going to roll over on each other. Mark my words, it will start becoming a race to the special counsel’s office.
 
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Wikileaks asked Donald Trump Jr. to spread its work, contest the election results, and have Assange appointed ambassador to the U.S.
@JuliaIoffe on their secret correspondence:

http://theatln.tc/2AIBACU
 
Haha, Senior tweeted about the Wikileaks release of the Podesta emails 15 minutes after WL emailed Junior.
 
Hawk said:
What 'evidence of wrongdoing' do you see specifically exampled here?
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wrongdoing is obviously in the eyes of the beholder...but for me it is mainly willingness indeed eagerness to collaborate or coordinate with Russian or Russian affiliated organizations (which I consider Wikileaks to be) to influence the course of the elections

there is also the question of whether some sort of quid pro quo existed...i think here it is not an open and shut case...but my reading of the evidence is that more likely than not there was a quid pro quo (with sanctions relief and acceptance of the annexation of Crimea being the items on the Russians' wish list)
 
nsacpi said:
wrongdoing is obviously in the eyes of the beholder...but for me it is mainly willingness indeed eagerness to collaborate with Russian or Russian affiliated organizations (which I consider Wikileaks to be) to influence the course of the elections
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Wikileaks is still a fairly substantial buffer of plausible deniability at this point.
 
Hawk said:
Wikileaks is still a fairly substantial buffer of plausible deniability at this point.
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more like a thin veneer...to me it is fairly obvious the Trump campaign was eager for any dirt the Russians could provide and I doubt very much there was a distinction in there minds between working with Wikileaks and working with the Russians
 
It's also important to note (or not, depending on what your motivations here are) that Assange's DM to Trump Jr. was a request to publicize a link subsequent to the release of the 4th dump of Podesta's e-mails. The campaign - and pretty much all of the apparatuses of the electoral process - had been talking up the Wikileaks e-mails well before that message was sent.
 
nsacpi said:
more like a thin veneer...to me it is fairly obvious the Trump campaign was eager for any dirt the Russians could provide and I doubt very much there was a distinction in there minds between working with Wikileaks and working with the Russians
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Eager for dirt on the Clinton campaign? Yes. Eager for dirt on the campaign provided specifically by 'the Russians'? To me that's still less than determined, on a preponderance of evidence, especially when coupled with this notion of a quid pro quo in relation to sanctions/Crimea, as you've suggested.
 
Deflect from what though? Another instance of 'evidence' that merely passes a boolean sniff test?
 
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