Yeah, that's definitely it.
Whatever it is.
Because it's so clear and so obvious that we can't even define it.
Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)
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Yeah, that's definitely it.
Whatever it is.
Because it's so clear and so obvious that we can't even define it.
Donaldo doth decree.
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
That's a long way from "in no uncertain terms."
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
"...the Russian nuisance that in no uncertain terms did not alter the outcome of the 2016 election..."
In all fairness, I was promised a Presidential puppet and obvious (to everybody but me) collusion.
I've been given troll farms and Papadopoulos. Paul Manafort being a skeeze (shocker) and Michael Flynn being a windbag (another shocker).
Has the case diminished from the fevered accusations that were originally bandied about? Yes, absolutely, and I'm not sure why this is such an offending reality.
I think it's possible that Mueller might roll up Manafort. Sure. What would that constitute to you? How would you spin that?
There's undoubtedly more to go - but I ultimately gather that it will be little of true consequence.
I'm still content going back to my original statement from almost a year ago when I crowed about the collusion investigation being dead. I think that component of the investigation has long since ceased to exist.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Don't think so. I'll link the Bloomberg piece again.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-still-be-investigating-collusion-with-russia
Moreover, Trump himself during the campaign was quite open about encouraging the Russians to release emails and other dirt concerning Hillary. And others in the campaign were receptive (to say the least) to any help the Russians could provide.
And so we find ourselves in a situation where law enforcement is prosecuting Russians for crimes that Trump and the Trump campaign encouraged.
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
Be patient. You may get what you were promised.
Since you're so not shocked by Papa, Manafort, Flynn, do you possess any curiosity as to why they were in the positions they were?
In what ways has the case actually diminished? Be specific.
We'll see what Manafort says or doesn't say. We'll see how Gates, Manafort's right-hand man, taking a deal plays out.
Since you're so not shocked by Papa, Manafort, Flynn, do you possess any curiosity as to why they were in the positions they were?
In what ways has the case actually diminished? Be specific.
We'll see what Manafort says or doesn't say. We'll see how Gates, Manafort's right-hand man, taking a deal plays out.
I mean, why is Rex Tillerson at State? Why did Donald Trump actually bring Omarosa into the White House? I've never grasped the personnel decisions, but they are not compelling in and of themselves.
Again, we've gone from 'You are a puppet' and accusations of direct collusion/Kompromat/secret Russian monies hidden in tax returns to running jokes about obstruction and that guy on Twitter with the handle "BRAVE,FREE,PATRi0T 4 TRUMP".
Yes, we will.
Just because the Russians were trying to sow discord before Trump it doesn't mean they couldn't also have found a willing dance partner in the Trump Campaign. I'm not saying this news is indicative of that, but trumpeting it as news to the contrary is short sighted.
I read the article the first time you posted it. It's not very substantive (as you noted).
Trump encouraged Russians to direct cyber trolling at both himself and HRC?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
He encouraged them to release the emails.
Now he says he was just kidding.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/26/politics/trump-clinton-russia-hacking-email-joking/index.html
"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing," he said in July 2016.
Later, Trump said at that news conference that he would "love" to see the emails, if Russia or China had them.
Perhaps we are not to take the great man literally. But those be his words.
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
Idk why those folks are where they are/were where they were. I mean, he's a mental genius. He surely has his reasons. Have Rex and Omarosa been charged with crimes and lied to federal agents?
Direct collusion/Kompromat/secret Russian moneys hidden in tax returns haven't gone away as much as you might want to think that.
I mean, maybe we can see our way to letting those obstruction jokes go.
I'm confused - where are we trying to go with this?
The indictments handed down today don't have anything to do with Trump telling the Russians to find (not hack) Hillary's 'lost' e-mails.
You really think that the collusion investigation (as it were) is predicated on comments like that?
The indictments handed down today don't have anything to do with Trump telling the Russians to find (not hack) Hillary's 'lost' e-mails.
You really think that the collusion investigation (as it were) is predicated on comments like that?
You're actually using this as an argument for potential collusion? Because if collusion was happening this is how it would be implemented. The stretches are everywhere
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
The indictments handed down today have nothing to do with your claim that the collusion case is dead and they don't suggest it's dead, either.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
My point is Trump and his campaign encouraged and welcomed activity from the Russians to help his campaign. And some of those activities are now being prosecuted.