Runnin
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Everyone benefits from sensible regulation. Industries cannot and will not regulate themselves. Giving them free rein is never a good idea.
Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)
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Everyone benefits from sensible regulation. Industries cannot and will not regulate themselves. Giving them free rein is never a good idea.
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Runnin
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There are truckloads of circumstantial evidence of dubious activity which we've all seen and heard. No one knows what evidence they have.
They've shared a lot of lies, which make them look guilty. Again, you don't know what they've actually shared.
That indictment was not meant to show collusion, nor has the FBI ever said there was. Why not just let them do their job and accept their findings? Your conviction that you know what's gonna happen doesn't speak well to your judgment or objectivity. We all know that you're just blindly blathering about what you hope is true.
Tell me, what convinces you that Trump is innocent of all wrongdoing? Is it his long history of ethical business behavior or his high moral character?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
There are a variety of very bad scenarios for Trump that could come out of Mueller's investigation.
1) The salacious stuff in the dossier gets verified. Less than 10% probability imo.
2) Findings of financial crimes pre-dating the campaign. I'd say about 50% chance.
3) Findings of non-criminal financial relationships with Russians or Russian entities that while not technically prosecutable are deeply damaging in the sense that they reveal a financial dependency that calls into question his ability to put the country's best interests first. I'd say about 20% chance.
4) Findings of money or electronic trail confirming quid pro quo. About 20% chance.
5) Findings of quid pro quo without electronic or money trail. Perhaps due to testimony of parties involved. I'd say about 40% chance. Overall chance of finding of quid pro quo: 60%.
6) Findings of obstruction and abuse of power related to interactions with and firing of Comey. About 70% chance.
7) Findings of coordination between campaign and Russians on things like voter targeting. About 30%.
With respect to 4 and 5, there are two subsets. Quid pro quo with evidence of Trump involvement and knowledge. Quid pro quo by people affiliated with the campaign but without clear evidence of Trump's personal involvement. He can obviously survive the latter more easily though either would be deeply damaging.
1) The salacious stuff in the dossier gets verified. Less than 10% probability imo.
2) Findings of financial crimes pre-dating the campaign. I'd say about 50% chance.
3) Findings of non-criminal financial relationships with Russians or Russian entities that while not technically prosecutable are deeply damaging in the sense that they reveal a financial dependency that calls into question his ability to put the country's best interests first. I'd say about 20% chance.
4) Findings of money or electronic trail confirming quid pro quo. About 20% chance.
5) Findings of quid pro quo without electronic or money trail. Perhaps due to testimony of parties involved. I'd say about 40% chance. Overall chance of finding of quid pro quo: 60%.
6) Findings of obstruction and abuse of power related to interactions with and firing of Comey. About 70% chance.
7) Findings of coordination between campaign and Russians on things like voter targeting. About 30%.
With respect to 4 and 5, there are two subsets. Quid pro quo with evidence of Trump involvement and knowledge. Quid pro quo by people affiliated with the campaign but without clear evidence of Trump's personal involvement. He can obviously survive the latter more easily though either would be deeply damaging.
That's not how this works. No collusion doesn't have to be proven.
Runnin
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You seem confused. Forget about collusion for a while. FBI's star investigator, Robert Mueller, is looking into EVERYTHING. When he's ready to let you know how much trouble your Furher is in, you'll know it.
Keep holding on to that hope for the next seven years while the furher fixes the mess the las two president's left us
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Some speculation from a well-informed and distinguished Deep Stater:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/18/clapper-mueller-russia-probe-white-house-416865
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/18/clapper-mueller-russia-probe-white-house-416865
http://amp.dailycaller.com/2018/02/...-new-judge-is-a-government-misconduct-expert/
Some incite into the future of the Flynn indictment.
Some incite into the future of the Flynn indictment.
Runnin
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A former Russian troll speaks: ‘It was like being in Orwell’s world’ - The Washington Post
Did you know that the factory was also targeting the United States?
We didn’t visit other departments, but I knew there was a “Facebook department.” … It wasn’t a secret. We all had essentially the same topics, they were focused on American readers and we were focused on Russians.
How did you know about it?
I speak English, and they asked me if I would like to transfer to the Facebook department. The pay there was two times as high. I said, “Well, let me try.” I failed the test because you had to know English perfectly. The reader must not have the feeling that you are a foreigner. The language demands were in fact very high, they were demanding high-end translators, basically.
What was this test like?
First, they tested your knowledge of English. I first had to write something about, “What do you think about vegetarians?” or something like that. Then it was, “What do you think of Hillary Clinton? What chances does she have to win in the U.S. election?” You had to write at great length about this. … The main thing was showing that you are able to show that you can represent yourself as an American. … I failed the test because you had to know English perfectly.
Did you know that the factory was also targeting the United States?
We didn’t visit other departments, but I knew there was a “Facebook department.” … It wasn’t a secret. We all had essentially the same topics, they were focused on American readers and we were focused on Russians.
How did you know about it?
I speak English, and they asked me if I would like to transfer to the Facebook department. The pay there was two times as high. I said, “Well, let me try.” I failed the test because you had to know English perfectly. The reader must not have the feeling that you are a foreigner. The language demands were in fact very high, they were demanding high-end translators, basically.
What was this test like?
First, they tested your knowledge of English. I first had to write something about, “What do you think about vegetarians?” or something like that. Then it was, “What do you think of Hillary Clinton? What chances does she have to win in the U.S. election?” You had to write at great length about this. … The main thing was showing that you are able to show that you can represent yourself as an American. … I failed the test because you had to know English perfectly.
bravesnumberone
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No they don't. Putin said so!!!!
bravesnumberone
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Ah yes the Susan Rice who was confirmed to have done nothing wrong. Another stellar outing of the rabid right wing.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I wonder if our buddy Pavel Manafortov will be the next to flip.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
If he knows anything of value to the investigation, he will. With Gates's flip, the rumored superseding indictments and the prospect of dying in jail looking very real, I can't imagine he won't. He's rolling the dice on a long bit in maximum security with no parole.
It's possible that either he doesn't know anything that will advance the ball, or that prosecutors already know what he has to give. In that case he's going to have to roll 'em and pray.
Sure she did nothing g wrong but she didn't necessarily follow the norms of her office held by her predecessors.