Sanders is a better candidate than Clinton

jpx7 said:
It's amusing how the word "radical" has been re-purposed in US institutional politics.
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Agreed with this sentiment... it was used to discredit Ron Paul, when Ron Paul's "radicalism" was to obey the constitution

Bernie on the other hand is quite radical... what he says he wants to do economically unviable without a RADICAL change to the tax code... and Americans wouldn't get behind that, I don't think (assuming the R candidate wouldn't let "1% pay for everything slide)
 
zitothebrave said:
IF he'd be trounced why is he right there with any republican in polls?

Quinipaq poll ending 12/20 had Clinton +7 over trump, even with Cruz, +1 with Rubio, Sanders is +13 over Trump, -3 vs Rubio and -1 vs Cruz. THere's not a major difference in the polling between the 2 nationally.
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Quinipaq poll was the outlier, which is probably why you went with it. The other two polls had Trump over Sanders and one was a democrat poll. I honestly think there was an error in that quinipac poll. The fact that Trump has a lead in the polls over Sanders tells you all you need to know about Sanders chances in the general.
 
jpx7 said:
It's amusing how the word "radical" has been re-purposed in US institutional politics.
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Yeah, I shouldn't have used the word radical. I don't think he's actually that far left. But too liberal for the general population.
 
sturg33 said:
Agreed with this sentiment... it was used to discredit Ron Paul, when Ron Paul's "radicalism" was to obey the constitution

Bernie on the other hand is quite radical... what he says he wants to do economically unviable without a RADICAL change to the tax code... and Americans wouldn't get behind that, I don't think (assuming the R candidate wouldn't let "1% pay for everything slide)
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I don't think the radical epithet really fits Bernie Sanders, nor did I think it fit Ron Paul, nor do I think it fits his son, nor do I really think it fits any of the candidates of the two major parties (and indeed it is, in some part, because they are candidates of one of the two major parties that it doesn't fit).

Sanders may be a left of where candidates receiving his level of coverage usually sit, but I hard think he qualifies as a real "radical."
 
weso1 said:
Quinipaq poll was the outlier, which is probably why you went with it. The other two polls had Trump over Sanders and one was a democrat poll. I honestly think there was an error in that poll. The fact that Trump has a lead in the polls over Sanders tells you all you need to know about Sanders chances in the general.
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No I went with it because it was the most recent with Sanders and Hillary. Last 3 major polls average to Sanders +2 over Trump, -1 behind Rubio and +3.3 vs Cruz.

So your point still is invalid.

And what you fail to mention is the other poll was Fox News. So one Dem leaning, one Rep leading, and the newest one.
 
bravesnumberone said:
What would be interesting is an election between Bernie and a big right-winger like Cruz. Wonder which one would blink first on trying to move to the center for the general.

Hard to imagine Biden not regretting staying on the sideline.
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I think Cruz would win big in this current environment.
 
jpx7 said:
I don't think the radical epithet really fits Bernie Sanders, nor did I think it fit Ron Paul, nor do I think it fits his son, nor do I really think it fits any of the candidates of the two major parties (and indeed it is, in some part, because they are candidates of one of the two major parties that it doesn't fit).

Sanders may be a left of where candidates receiving his level of coverage usually sit, but I hard think he qualifies as a real "radical."
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Radical is who I may vote for in NH just for ****s and giggles, Vermin Supreme. Because I want a free pony.
 
zitothebrave said:
No I went with it because it was the most recent with Sanders and Hillary. Last 3 major polls average to Sanders +2 over Trump, -1 behind Rubio and +3.3 vs Cruz.

So your point still is invalid.

And what you fail to mention is the other poll was Fox News. So one Dem leaning, one Rep leading, and the newest one.
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The average was +2 Sanders because one of them had such an oddly high number. I mean I'm just using common sense to throw it out. Do you honestly believe Hillary performs worse vs Trump compared to Sanders? PPP had Trump in the lead. I've never seen them not poll toward the dems.

And Fox News is not pro trump outside of a few personalities.
 
zitothebrave said:
Why? I want a sound reason.
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I don't think people are going to be super pumped to hear that their payroll taxes would be increased. I also think Cruz has a huge advantage in foreign policy, which is all about how to handle ISIS. I also just think Cruz is a more skillful politician.
 
weso1 said:
The average was +2 Sanders because one of them had such an oddly high number. I mean I'm just using common sense to throw it out. Do you honestly believe Hillary performs worse vs Trump compared to Sanders? PPP had Trump in the lead. I've never seen them not poll toward the dems.

And Fox News is not pro trump outside of a few personalities.
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Being pro-rep doesn't mean pro-trump.
 
weso1 said:
I don't think people are going to be super pumped to hear that their payroll taxes would be increased. I also think Cruz has a huge advantage in foreign policy, which is all about how to handle ISIS. I also just think Cruz is a more skillful politician.
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The only people who's payroll taxes would be increased are people making over the current cap (which i believe is 250K)

Cruz is a radical religious candidate. Anyone who is not into that will vote against him.
 
zitothebrave said:
The only people who's payroll taxes would be increased are people making over the current cap (which i believe is 250K)

Cruz is a radical religious candidate. Anyone who is not into that will vote against him.
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His payroll tax increase is for everyone.

Cruz is playing up the religious angle right now to win the primary. Americans are more concerned with foreign policy and economy.
 
Unless you're referring to the paid maternity leave payroll tax, you're wrong. And honestly most of that could becovered by removing the payroll tax cap.
 
I am curious, what do you all think would happen due to a religious President?

They can't change abortion. They can't change gay marriage. What is the big fear?
 
sturg33 said:
I am curious, what do you all think would happen due to a religious President?

They can't change abortion. They can't change gay marriage. What is the big fear?
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They can appoint enough supreme court justices like Scalia who'll overturn things like Roe vs. Wade.
 
zitothebrave said:
They can appoint enough supreme court justices like Scalia who'll overturn things like Roe vs. Wade.
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I think that fear is ridiculously overblown. How many Christian President have we had since Roe v Wade... and nothing changes... The Republicans don't want that law changed as it's a voter rally cry... just like the left uses the fear mongering of it changing.

Listening to Hilary, you'd think if a Republican wins then all women will be required to quit their jobs and get back in the kitchen
 
Bush and Reagan were, but were split up largely by progressive presidents. So they countered out. And hoenstly as I recall neither of them were close to Cruz.
 
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