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57Brave
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what is stopping parents now from looking at their child's text book and curriculum
one would think this yet another task put upon already over worked underpaid teachers and administrators.
You and you wife I assume read your child's text books to know what they are being taught ?
I did, and often found things I never knew . and on occasion helped my kids understand what it was they were being taught
Party of critical thinkers indeed
one would think this yet another task put upon already over worked underpaid teachers and administrators.
You and you wife I assume read your child's text books to know what they are being taught ?
I did, and often found things I never knew . and on occasion helped my kids understand what it was they were being taught
Party of critical thinkers indeed
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57Brave
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K-12 curriculum is pretty (boringly) stagnant from one year to the next.
The information is available to those that wish
unless of course this is merely an attempt at disruption for the sake of disruption
But then again, most schools are teaching the Civil War was about slavery rather than an obscure 1839 tariff bill.
and that Jim Crowe Laws were in fact a thing as were segregated water fountains, lunch counter, hotels and yes, schools.
You should be glad to know, this latest exercise in silliness exempts religious and private schools
Hmmm
The information is available to those that wish
unless of course this is merely an attempt at disruption for the sake of disruption
But then again, most schools are teaching the Civil War was about slavery rather than an obscure 1839 tariff bill.
and that Jim Crowe Laws were in fact a thing as were segregated water fountains, lunch counter, hotels and yes, schools.
You should be glad to know, this latest exercise in silliness exempts religious and private schools
Hmmm
57Brave
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Isn't the main component of " critical thinking" undertanding the facts that takes one to a decision ?
acesfull86
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https://dailycaller.com/2021/12/22/rutgers-prof-compares-school-choice-child-brides-private-school/
A Rutgers University graduate school professor argued that it’s in the public’s interest to invest more in public schools and less in voucher programs that allow students to pick their schools...
Professor Bruce Baker tweeted that parents already have authority over their children’s education and argued that public schools protect societal interests, as schools can protect children from parental interests. Baker used the example of “child brides” as a reason to increase funding for public schools.
“Parents do have substantial authority over their children’s education and shaping values and beliefs,” Baker tweeted. “But, even then, there remains a societal interest in protecting the child that at times, intervenes in the parental interest — even if ‘religious’ (child brides, etc.)”
Baker went on to call for states to “fund systems that serve children,” while arguing that publicly “accessible” programs — not private schools — are best for children.
“And, to reiterate, the reason we fund (or should) systems that are accessible to and serve children, and are publicly governed, is to serve that public good (not private interest) of an informed citizenry preserving collective, democratic interests!”
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^ Sent his own kids to private school, of course...
I give him credit for invoking the child brides argument...there's a new one, LOL.
A Rutgers University graduate school professor argued that it’s in the public’s interest to invest more in public schools and less in voucher programs that allow students to pick their schools...
Professor Bruce Baker tweeted that parents already have authority over their children’s education and argued that public schools protect societal interests, as schools can protect children from parental interests. Baker used the example of “child brides” as a reason to increase funding for public schools.
“Parents do have substantial authority over their children’s education and shaping values and beliefs,” Baker tweeted. “But, even then, there remains a societal interest in protecting the child that at times, intervenes in the parental interest — even if ‘religious’ (child brides, etc.)”
Baker went on to call for states to “fund systems that serve children,” while arguing that publicly “accessible” programs — not private schools — are best for children.
“And, to reiterate, the reason we fund (or should) systems that are accessible to and serve children, and are publicly governed, is to serve that public good (not private interest) of an informed citizenry preserving collective, democratic interests!”
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^ Sent his own kids to private school, of course...
I give him credit for invoking the child brides argument...there's a new one, LOL.
acesfull86
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https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/dec/20/teacher-fired-after-call-shooting-anti-vaxxers/
A Pennsylvania teacher lost her job after suggesting on Facebook that Americans who refuse COVID-19 vaccinations for religious reasons should be shot.
The General McLane School District in Erie County confirmed Monday that Mollie Paige Mumau has not been teaching at McLane High School or permitted in school district buildings since Dec. 8, a few days after she suggested in the Facebook post that the Republican Party “take those guns they profess to love so much and just start shooting all of their constituents who think this way.”
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Ms. Mumau has also vanished from the website of the National Education Association, where she had served on the board of directors.
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Ms. Mumau describes herself in her Facebook profile as an “educator, wife, union advocate, semi-pro wine drinker, LGBTQ ally, and ‘Team Pfizer.’”
In her Facebook post, she also wrote that shooting people “hiding behind religious exemptions” to vaccine mandates “would be quicker and ultimately safer than putting me and my friends and family at risk.”
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Don’t let the door hit ya
A Pennsylvania teacher lost her job after suggesting on Facebook that Americans who refuse COVID-19 vaccinations for religious reasons should be shot.
The General McLane School District in Erie County confirmed Monday that Mollie Paige Mumau has not been teaching at McLane High School or permitted in school district buildings since Dec. 8, a few days after she suggested in the Facebook post that the Republican Party “take those guns they profess to love so much and just start shooting all of their constituents who think this way.”
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Ms. Mumau has also vanished from the website of the National Education Association, where she had served on the board of directors.
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Ms. Mumau describes herself in her Facebook profile as an “educator, wife, union advocate, semi-pro wine drinker, LGBTQ ally, and ‘Team Pfizer.’”
In her Facebook post, she also wrote that shooting people “hiding behind religious exemptions” to vaccine mandates “would be quicker and ultimately safer than putting me and my friends and family at risk.”
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Don’t let the door hit ya
I can speak first hand when I started student teaching over 10 years ago.
The teacher pool is not the brightest and needs to be completely recycled.
Hopefully with more private schooling options the demand will result in higher wages and completely destroy public education for good.
The teacher pool is not the brightest and needs to be completely recycled.
Hopefully with more private schooling options the demand will result in higher wages and completely destroy public education for good.
Thats because there is no incentive for capable people.
The move to private education I think will change that. Once they fund backpacks and not schools teachers will improve tremendously as will their pay.
Bonus compensation should be directly related to improvement from prior year scoring. You could make a very attractive systems where teachers are incentivized to help their students.
If you dangled potentially a 50k payout at year-end for good test scores you bet your ass teachers would work their ass off.
Oklahomahawk
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Well speaking as someone who is mostly useless and overpaid I can assure you guys that testing is widely used by many in positions of authority to assess both teachers and schools. So, what was the outcome? Teachers in K-12 just taught what was going to be on the test at the end of the school year. Students became parrots, memorizing what they were going to be tested on at that time, and actual learning and higher order thinking skills went down.
Trust me, I see the failures of our K-12 system every day during our semesters. I'm not just surprised but amazed sometimes that some of our students can find their way to school, let alone actually be decent students once they get there.
Repetition is the mother of all learning.
You teach the skills on how to learn and then release kids into the world.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Higher order thinking skills (the how to learn part, as well as what to do with that information) is not learned at the "repetition or rote learning" stage. What you guys are talking about is teaching them what to think, and there's a place for that, but in and of itself is NOT what actual learning is supposed to be about.
Learning how to learn is the basic building block for everything.
Higher order thinking skills is something that is ingrained once the basics are learned and is dependent on the capacity of the individual student.